BIRTH OF A VIRUS …

As I watched my neighbor put her dog’s poop in a single-use plastic baggy, I thought about split pants in China.

When my wife and I got off the plane, 18 years ago, to adopt our first daughter, we were taken aback by the split pants. Split pants are (or at least were, back then) pants the children wear that are open in the crotch area. That allows them to urinate or defecate unobstructed, onto the street or wherever they may be. The theory is that eventually they will learn to “aim it at the toilet” or something to that effect.

Either way, I distinctly remember my brand new Nike slip-ons (probably made not far from where I was standing) sloshing into a mix of urine and who knows what else, and continuing to do so for the next three weeks.

As I started feeling the cough coming on, I remember one of the women in our group saying, at one of the airports (as she too, stepped into urine) “The people in this country probably have built up antibodies inside them our bodies have never even thought about.”

I replayed that line in my head for the next three weeks, as I descended into night sweats, fevers and a cough like I’ve never experienced.

Over the next several days and weeks, we would experience the amazing culture of China, in several different cities. But some things stood out to this germophobic American. I watched a man hock up something from his chest and spit it on the floor, right next to us, in a restaurant. No oysters for me, thanks. I’ve suddenly lost my appetite.

We visited a Hutong (inner city – where the locals live) and saw raw chickens, skinned and bleeding, just laying on the floor, waiting to be thrown on a restaurant grill…for public consumption. No FDA or USDA or food inspectors or “codes” to comply with, here. But why? This is the last purely communist country on earth. You’d think there would be red tape everywhere. What was happening here?

Then, my wife and I had to rush our newly adopted, 8-month-old daughter to the public hospital…and suddenly it all started making sense.

As we stepped in more urine, took our number from the print-out machine, walked past the line of children whining and crying from the scalp IVs in their heads, then rushed to clean up blood and mucus (left by the last patient) on the plastic table they were now laying our baby on, then waited on the ONE overworked doctor (attending to no less than three hundred people) try to round up a basic anti-biotic to administer to my daughter (right there on site – no refills) it dawned on me what I was seeing and what I had been seeing this whole time. I wasn’t watching a “backward” culture or a third-world society. These people weren’t genetically inferior to first-worlders. They weren’t “less-evolved” than I was.

I was witnessing the kind of maximum, almost brutal efficiency a society must develop when the state is the master and the individual is merely a subject. Why would a Communist country not have an effective FDA? Because who are you going to complain to if you get tainted food? The government? They don’t answer to you. The press? They are owned by the government. And again, they don’t answer to you.

So what if you don’t like the conditions in the hospital? Where else are you going to go? This hospital is the last (and only) stop. You can’t opt for another place and then just pay out of your own pocket. The government has capped financial upward mobility. There is now “income equality.” And that means nobody has the means to buy their way into a different (or better) situation. And even if you could, one doesn’t exist. The state provides it all. You’re stuck.

In every one of those places I described (especially the hospital) there were uniformed guards posted everywhere. The government was literally on every corner. And yet it didn’t feel like help. It felt like surveliance.

“Yes, communism is bad, Regie. We get it,” I hear you saying, through your screen. But it is much deeper than surface ideology for me, personally. As our group was sloshing through the stuff on our shoes, we all speculated as to what new viruses we might be bringing back to the States with us. Well, even during SARS, none of us brought any viruses back. But my family did bring back one of the rarest genetic disorders on planet earth. My daughter was carrying, in her beautiful little self, a messed up sequence of genetic code. She was missing a piece of her 15th maternal chromosome. It brought with it dozens of different symptoms, one of which was seizures.

A month after getting her home, she went into a ten-minute seizure that could only be described as terrifying. And as the doctors and nurses ripped her from my my screaming wife’s arms and dragged us into the waiting room, I was incredibly thankful to be at one of the best children’s hospitals in the world. This hospital was clean and sanitary, with highly trained people everywhere. There were comfortable chairs and private rooms. There was any and every medicine we needed, readily available. And as horrible as that day was, and as expensive as it was (that day basically contributed to bankrupting us. Fortunately, I live in a place where I was able to earn all that money back and more), we were incredibly grateful we were in the United States and people were getting paid large sums of money to tend to our precious little soul. And she survived.

What we know, without a doubt, is that she would not have survived had she not gotten out of China; out of that system.

China is back in the news with yet another deadly virus we are all wringing (and washing) our hands over. And I’m certain we’re more freaked out about it in the United States than they are in the epicenter of it. Trust me on this one. I’ve lived it.

If ONE American were to die of this virus, the marches will begin and the public outcry will be never-ending. Why? Because we are oriented to the individual, in this country. We believe – whether we practice it in our politics or want to admit it to ourselves – that one person makes a difference. And our government answers to us. We don’t answer to them.

As this virus is doing whatever it’s doing, we are also having a heated debate over our own politics as a nation. We are literally discussing the merits of “democratic socialism” in the context of a Presidential election, in the United States, in 2020. I don’t think this is an accident.

I’m watching people (even good friends) on the left, basically throw their backs out, trying to contort and explain away why “some’ socialism is a good thing and how public services are all really “socialist” constructs anyway and how it really isn’t as bad as all that and how ‘this isn’t Communism – relax” and basically try to shoe-horn themselves into possibly having to take a deep breath and vote for a guy who sees the bright side of Fidel Castro but at least is not Donald Trump.

And he has ignited the debate over “single payer” healthcare. And that notion always seems to be reasonable on the surface. Why not just streamline the whole thing? Why not get the bloated insurance companies out of it? Why not eliminate the greed and corporate bureaucracy from our health?

That all sounds very reasonable.

But here’s the thing …

Single payer also means single buyer. That means the dynamics of the market get eliminated. One of the natural checks-and-balances of finding a hot-shot surgeon willing to do the risky procedure or even just seek a second opinion, get chopped away little by little. Because now we’re answering to the government. It isn’t answering to us. After all, where are we gonna go? They’ve got us. And our cancer treatment or skin graft surgery or kidney stone blast is up to their red tape. Sure, we can get in the door for free. But we might die in there, waiting on someone with no incentive and who faces no recourse, to change our plasma bag.

I am not a registered Democrat or Republican. But if you don’t like the state of healthcare in this country, just remember that not ONE Republican has their fingerprints on it. NOT. ONE. Your current state of healthcare was voted on unanimously and signed into law by DEMOCRATS only.

And now, ten years later, we seem to need to fix it all over again. Why?

I personally believe it’s because we’re moving in the wrong direction when it comes to healthcare. We keep moving away from the free market toward a more controlled government system. Why not allow insurance companies to sell their products across state lines? Why not offer them tax incentives to keep high risk patients (like my daughter) on their actuaries? Why not put them in positions that force them to compete harder for the public dollar and become more competitive? In other words, why not make them more accountable to US?

Why not offer dollar-for-dollar tax incentives to individuals who pay for their own care out of pocket? Why not offer incentives to doctors who do pro-bono work?

If those ideas sound like decent ones to you, you may find it surprising that all of them are in a bill proposed by Marsha Blackburn (my long-time representative, now my senator) back in 2009. It’s 27 pages long and it would only take two weeks to implement. It never made it to the floor of the House for a vote.

What if there are answers in the free market?
There are companies like Weltrio, in Oregon, that provide comprehensive healthcare concierge services to corporations who provide insurance, and they lower costs by as much as 68%.
It seems like these ideas are right there for the trying.

The thing about free-market solutions when it comes to healthcare, is that if they don’t work, you can always trash them and go to a public option. But once you nationalize healthcare, there is no going back. And that terrifies me. I’ve seen the natural conclusion of what happens when only one buyer is purchasing gauze and morphine; when one source pays the doctors and nurses.

And I suppose my answer to all of it is: what have we got to lose by trying the easy thing first? What if the evil Capitalists are right and it kinda works?

Vladamir Lenin said, “Give me your four-year-olds and in a generation I will build a socialist state.”

He also said, “The goal of socialism is communism.”

Then, he said, “medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.”

We’re finding out – IN America – just how right he was about all of it. And some of us aren’t thinking twice about it.

When Ronald Reagan said, “One of the traditional ways of imposing statism or socialism has been through medicine,” many scoffed at him and joked about how stupid he was or (worse) how he just wanted the rich to have healthcare and didn’t care about everyone else.

But the truth is we all want the same things. We want our children to have access to affordable and GREAT healthcare (that last part if the key). We just have different ideas on how to get there.

As for me, I’ve seen what happens when the choices are taken away. And what happens ends up being a place where new viruses can spread too easily, to too many people, and aren’t contained quickly enough.

And that ultimately affects us all.   

   

R

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395 thoughts on “BIRTH OF A VIRUS …

  1. I lived in China on two different occasions for a total of 6 years (2007-2001 and 2015-2016) and have tons of friends who still live there now. We went through the adoption process, have friends who have adopted, and have traveled the country from East to West and then some. I speak a decent amount of the language, gave birth to my twins there, returned and lived for another year there with a child who had health problems… all this to say- I think I have far more experience with the country, culture, and medical system that the author of this article.

    This article is deeply troubling to me on a number of levels. I’m mostly commenting at this point because I’d like to challenge those reading it and highlight the danger of this “logic”. I don’t understand how people can go to a foreign country they know almost nothing about, tour around a small portion of it in a short period of time knowing little to nothing about the thousands of years of history, culture, and language- and feel qualified to make strong opinions and then write about them.

    The author is also wrong about the medical system there. Research a bit more for more info on this.

    I’m not here to argue the benefits of free-market or socialized medicine. I’m open to anything at this point. But it isn’t fair to take an outdated assessment of a country, tie it to a viral outbreak, and then make an argument about socialized medicine. It’s really bad logic. China’s healthcare system is a mess for a number of reasons, and few have to do with whether it’s socialized or not. If you really want to talk about socialized medicine- look at countries like Germany who have socialized medicine and do it beautifully.

    As for this article- whether the writer intended this or not- it’s dangerous logic and it’s xenophobic to its core.

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    • You’re open to anything at this point but you are saying Germany does socialized medicine beautifully. If health insurance is a right (it isn’t) then socialized medicine should work for each individual, regardless of the size of the population, and that is the problem with it.

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      • Allow me to clarify. I am open to any idea. What we have currently- doesn’t work. I think that’s something most people can agree on. Bring your free-market ideas, your single-payer ideas, and then some. What we can’t do, is honestly assess and speak on systems using only the worst examples as a reason to dismiss anything other than what we have. It’s not intellectually honest, and it does nothing to actually solve this issue.

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        • “What we have currently—doesn’t work.”

          Nonsense. If that were true the 150-million-odd Americans who want to keep their private insurance would be clamoring for change. They aren’t.

          Now, what you may mean to say is that our current system doesn’t work… for everyone. Well, China is a perfect example of a system that “works” for no one but the high Party mucky-mucks. You can’t seriously propose that as a model.

          You say we can’t use the worst systems as a means of assessing what not to do. Well, why not? The Chinese system resembles the one Bernie Sanders is saying he wants to implement, so why can’t we point out its obvious faults?

          It’s useful to refer to Chesterton’s fence, the principle that reforms should not be made until the reasoning behind the existing state of affairs is understood. Part of that reasoning involves looking at the effects of alternatives, proposed or actually in place.

          For example, what about “single payer” in non-communist socieites? Well, Canada and the UK offer examples of such a system, and they show us what to assiduously AVOID. NO American with private healthcare would accept a system where it can take a year or more to see a specialist, and another year to get a hospital bed for an operation.

          Obamacare’s manifest faults have provided insights into the perils that await us on the rocky road to “single payer”. Others have posted here some obvious changes in our system, but the Left has dug in, lest the Stars in Their Savior Obama’s crown be tarnished. THEY are the ones who seek to stifle discussion and implementation of needed reforms.

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          • So, where is the alternative discussion and implementation the Republicans have presented other than removing coverage for pre-existing conditions? Where is a solution better than Obamacare?
            The Insurance lobbyist control the discussion. The problem lies with money and power which are concentrated in the lobbyists controlling our country in both parties.

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            • The Republicans submitted several good alternatives to ObamaCare, and every single one was dismissed by the Dems before they rammed ObamaCare through the legislature. They contain preventive health care, tax credits, reduction of fraud and abuse in existing federal health care programs, and tort reform.

              The Patient’s Choice Act of 2009

              Health Care Freedom Plan, S. 1324

              Empowering Patients First Act, H.R. 3400

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            • One simple comment regarding the above person’s remark about Republicans “removing coverage for pre-existing conditions.” BTW, no insult or disrespect meant here, simply a comment. Coverage for pre-existing conditions IS NOT insurance. If we as a society cannot agree on that simple concept then why discuss it? Allowing people to have go to a company and have them pay for things that existed before they became customers is a sure fire way to destroy said company. I agree on the “money and lobbyists” part of your comment but until we allow people =to buy their own insurance – like car insurance – then we’re doomed to never ending encroachment by Gov’t and people who want something for nothing. people who are denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition is something we can fix. Destroying a health care system to do it?? No thanks.

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          • “Nonsense. If that were true the 150-million-odd Americans who want to keep their private insurance would be clamoring for change. They aren’t”

            The Americans who are not CLAMORING for a change get it paid for by their employer or the taxpayer (i.e. teachers, cops, govt employees). I’m paying almost 2000 a month for insurance. I’d LOVE to go single payer or medicare for all. I’m paying 2K a MONTH for 2 people. I’m CLAMORING for a change.

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            • Why would you give up making your own choice of what is best for you to let the government tell you what you need? To me that is an absurd concept. In 2010, we owned our own business. I paid 484.00 dollars a month for my family of 6 to be insured. The deductible was 1000. Money was tight for us and any increase there was going to negatively affect everything. Well, surprise. The second Ocare passed? My insurance went up over 100 bucks. Could not afford it and canceled it. I figured out how to beat the system when we needed care but I ultimately had no insurance. In 2012, I tried again. The bill would have been 800/month not including the deductible. Didn’t get to keep my doctor. Fast forward to 2015 when my husband lost his job. I would have had to pay 2250 per month for NOTHING because the deductible was 4500. That was more than my mortgage. I was penalized on my taxes to the tune of 7k. But my actual beat the system care in totality cost me 6900 bucks out of my pocket directly. I still got stuck paying for other people’s stake and they got it for free. No. I will never be okay with single payer. And you assume too much about employers and what they pay. Because Obamacare changed that. They are penalized for not providing health care to full time workers, so they change productivity because they cannot afford the cost of it before the law. So everyone loses. Anyone with 50 employees is required to provide healthcare, but, they can knock them to part-time and then they don’t have to pay. Never ass-ume. If you are paying 2k for two people, you need to do more research and figure out why? What risks do you have over others that you would pay that much? I pay 320 for three, deductible of 1500.

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            • If you’re clamoring for a change- change your employer. Find one who offers better benefits. Don’t force change on everyone who is satisfied with their insurance benefits because you don’t like yours. My husband’s employer used to offer insurance as part of their benefits package on employment. We never paid premiums or co-pays even. Thanks to Obamacare we now pay a small premium and co-pays. It’s still better insurance than most, so I still don’t complain too much, but it used to be much better. Thanks Obummer!!

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            • Start with being able to buy insurance across state lines, more competition not less.

              Second insurance companies can’t price in preexisting conditions so they have to spread it out equally raising the price for everybody, any insurance product, Obamacare included, HAS to use actuary tables to determine how much it costs to insure an individual. Grouping the entire population into an actuary is insane and unworkable. That is why under O care some got insurance practically free and other peoples went up 2-300%. And if gov’t is providing the care (single payer) THEY decide if they think your care is worthy of their time, witness the case of Charlie Gard in GB.

              Please I want everyone to be happy, if you want the gov’t to give you stuff move to a country that does that, don’t try to ruin America we need to undue the Socialism that has undermined our once great institutions.

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            • Every health care system on earth today needs improvement because none is perfect. The precise, and only source of this, is the sinful nature of humanity. Every country has lots of problems all the time and all we can do is learn from all of them and mitigate the sinful human nature. The US capitalist system has done this most effectively so far. Do not tell me otherwise. I grew up in Canada, and the quality of healthcare there is decent for many, but NOT for a host of serious, life-threatening illnesses. Wait times kill people. This is directly due to the “socialized” aspect, aka single payer in this case. Bringing in more government control will absolutely not fix what ails the US system. Are there pros and cons and outliers in the various combinations of systems? Yes. Bottom line is that ALL the decent health care systems on earth are supported by a free market in some way. And one more poignant fact: All health care systems in the world benefit directly from the American (and other countries) free market pharma industry, evil as it may seem. Who develops new drugs and treatments? Is anyone using new treatments developed in China? Venezuela? And don’t bring up Denmark. I like Denmark too. But not because it is a socialist paradise. It’s not. The prime minister himself responded to the American fixation on Denmark as socialist. Far from it. They tried socialism and it failed big time. They currently have high taxes and their government programs are enabled by a thriving free market.

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            • “If you are paying 2k for two people, you need to do more research and figure out why? ”

              I’ve been buying insurance for myself since 1986. I’ve done all my research MANY TIMES. The system is broken. We need single payer or some other vast revamp of the system. Did you say never ASS-ume? I’m aware of how employers get around the system, I’ve freelanced and been 1099 since ’86. They keep you part time, they hire you as a vendor. All ways to get around paying employees insurance since WAY before The Affordable Care Act. I’m perfectly healthy, I have no health risks.

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          • Canada shows us what to avoid? Either you know nothing of Canadian health care, or you believe the propaganda spewed by rich medical, drug and insurance companies. The only people that benefit from the american system is the Rich. You let the working poor die because you think medical is only for for the elite. You tell people they don’t deserve medical because they can only get jobs that don’t provide any medical.
            When my son was 13, he suffered cardiac arrest, he had to be flow to the children’s hospital to see a pediatric heart specialist, he was keep in a medical coma for a week and had to have a pacemaker/defibrillator. The cost of that would have cost over $250,000 in your country. I paid $250. Yeah, we have a shortage of Doctors, because they go to the US where they can charge the highest rates for care in the world.

            The only thing Free in a free-market system is the tag that goes on your toe after they let you die rather then lose a few dollars to save your life.

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            • I suppose you believe medical care is a right, then? And you as the parent are not responsible for your kid’s care? I mean, why should you pay for your kids when your neighbors can? The rich have more than they need anyway, right? But they’re the selfish ones for wanting to keep what they earn. I don’t think anyone “deserves” anything they’re not willing to pay for, but I guess that’s just me. Do you ‘deserve’ a house, car, and iPhone too? Who pays for all of the things that are owed to you?

              And the “few dollars to save your life” is jut hyperbole. Nobody in America is turned away for emergency care. You might be expected to pay some of the bill afterwards, but they’ll save your life. I’m OK with that.

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          • You obviously know nothing of health care in Canada. If you are sick and need a doctor, you see a doctor immediately. If you want a mole removed under their healthcare system you might have to wait, but private insurance is available and if you carry it you can get the mole removed by a specialist right away. My wife’s family is in Canada, I am amazed at how quickly and efficiently they get treated. Take for instance a niece who has lupus. An attack of lupus left her with a blood clot in her leg, admitted immediately, kept in the hospital for almost a week under 24 hour doctor surveillance and sent home to return once every three days for a month at which point if all is well it will extend to a week between visits. What was the cost? $10 or in US dollars 7.50. Get that treatment in the states for $7.50 and please let me know where because I have what is considered a Cadillac plan and I don’t get that kind of treatment anywhere.

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        • “What we have currently- doesn’t work.”

          That’s just wrong. 99% of people in the USA have access to excellent health care by any fair standard.

          And, what gives you (or anyone) the right to take an industry out of the private sector?

          Regardless, it isn’t a minor point whether you take away people’s right (and RESPONSIBILITY) to choose how and where they receive care.

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          • “What we have currently- doesn’t work.”

            That’s just wrong. 99% of people in the USA have access to excellent health care by any fair standard.
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            The problem is not access to health care it’s the cost of insurance.

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        • You’re starting from a flawed premise – that “most people” can agree that health care in the US “doesn’t work.” Or possibly it’s health *insurance* that you’re speaking of – it seems very clear indeed that most people really CAN agree that US health CARE is tremendous; it’s just that not every citizen has access to every facet of the system. That is an insurance problem, not a care problem.

          My personal position is that I’d like to see health insurance decoupled from employment; the current systen arose from wage freezes in WWII (perks like employer-paid health insurance and vacation time were how companies could attract workers in a tight labor market). I’d rather have the money, plus an insurance system that included many levels I could buy into according to my needs and current finances. And yes, I think there are probably other reforms that could be implemented… without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

          But – the author’s experiences are what they are. Yours are different. I agree that it is dicey to judge a whole society on the basis of anecdotal evidence from one region, no matter how horrifying… but I can see how he drew his conclusion. Even in Appalachia, probably the poorest region of the US, the hospital will still be *clean,* though it may not have an MRI. (How many rural Chinese hospitals do?) And his overarching point, that under a single payer (and therefore single butter AND ultimately single supplier) system, where is the incentive to improve? Have you been to the DMV lately? I hate to pick on them, but THAT, like Medicare and public libraries and the military, must surely fall under the “everything government does is socialist, actually” rubric that the author called out as the common “Democratic socialism” defense. And it’s pretty awful, isn’t it?

          (BTW, doesn’t everybody know that the Cuban system is tiered? Great care for foreigners and officials and the rich – because there are still rich people in socialism, even if their wealth isn’t necessarily in the form of onshore folding money – and a second, far, far lower, for the regular people? Plus there’s the book-co ok king that the Cuban government has been doing since the ’50s to “prove” that its system is better than that if the decadent West.)

          His point is that once we go down that road, there is no turning back – the infrastructure that enables our current system will disappear. That is a frickin’ scary prospect.

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          • I agree with you on the point that I too would like to see healthcare NOT offered as compensation for employment. I personally would like money, more wages. than healthcare. With more money I could buy my own healthcare policy IF I wanted one. Where is the choice? If healthcare wasn’t offered as compensation, we might do away with some “age discrimination” when it comes to employing older workers. Healthy older people are getting old/breaking down because of age and need healthcare more than a young healthy person. My point is if people really don’t need immediate healthcare, offering healthcare as compensation is like offering people a basketball, a boat, a lottery ticket in place of wages. People go to work to make MONEY to live their daily life. You can’t pay for things with medical benefits or school benefits or training. and that includes paying for healthcare. You can’t pay for healthcare with healthcare. Tell the unions to negotiate for more MONEY, not health care.

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            • The reason health insurance became tied to employment can be laid at the feet of the federal government. After WW2, wage and price controls were imposed, preventing employers from competing for talent by offering higher wages. So, in lieu of that, employers began to offer health insurance as a benefit to prospective employees.

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            • More agreement here! Medical insurance should be decoupled from employment and purchased individually just like vehicle or home insurance is. The insurance companies can pool like with like and offer lots of different policies for differing needs. Uneducated people are clamoring for changes in the wrong direction. We need more competition, more choices, and more liberty!

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        • On the contrary. What we have currently DOES work. Not perfectly – no system, unfortunately, does that – but FAR better over all than any other.

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          • “On the contrary. What we have currently DOES work. Not perfectly – no system, unfortunately, does that – but FAR better over all than any other.”

            Then why doesn’t every other country adopt our system, instead of us being one of only a few with a non universal system? The only countries with our system are ”
            Democratic Republic of Congo[69]
            Egypt (in transition)[70]
            Ethiopia[71]
            India (in transition)[72]
            Indonesia (in transition)[73]
            Jordan[74]
            Paraguay[75]
            United Arab Emirates[57] Ajman
            Fujairah
            Ras al-Khaimah
            Sharjah
            Umm al-Quwain

            United States (incl. American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and United States Virgin Islands)

            Some great company, huh?

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            • Most countries do not copy our Constitution, nor our Bill of Rights. Most do not allow people to build their own businesses, buy and sell, or practice their religions, either.
              Nope, I don’t want those and I do not want Germany’s, nor the UK’s, nor France’ health care system.

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        • The medical care system promoted by Sanders is the same one as in Cuba, the Soviet Union, and Venezuela. In only 15 years Venezuela has gone from a pretty good, pay as you go system with pretty well trained doctors to one of the worst in the world. Cuba’s vaunted system is a disaster with lots of 5e exported doctors being untrained in the basics of medical diagnosis and treatment.
          If we had a system where people could buy any insurance plan they wanted, the incentives the author mentioned, treatment costs would go down. About ½ of doctor office costs are from dealing with insurance companies and Medicare is the worst.
          We can reinstitute a community health network, too, where doctors receive tax incentives for treating these patients who may not be able to afford insurance. But, everyone would have to pay something, even if only $5 or less.
          Yes, it would work!

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        • I absolutely disagree with you.

          My employer provided [my portion deducted from my pay every week] health insurance was instrumental in saving my life. Had I needed to wait for a socialist/communist-run system to make any decision, much less the RIGHT one, I would have been dead.

          The surgeon in charge of the case was able to make every decision necessary on the spot and get it done right. And the same goes for the EMTS and paramedics who dragged my broken, unconscious rump out of the ‘holler’ in SE Ohio and life-flight me to a major medical center in Akron – a 20 minute flight of a 1 hour ambulance ride – with massive internal bleeding in my brain and body, as well as a broken neck and back. Long story short; I WALKED out of the hospital’s physical therapy unit 20 days after the ‘incident’ occurred.

          Commie medicine would have probably euthanized me.

          Meanwhile, the viral outbreak in Wuhan was inevitable in a system that has to wait for decisions from ‘on high’ in a life or death situation.

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          • I agree. I actually really love my employer provided insurance. I was in pain, saw the surgeon and has inflicted organ removed four hours later. Would not have wanted to wait for months!

            But it WOULD be nice if you could “take it with you”. Once you have worked at a place and participated in their plan, you could stay in that plan if you lost your job or moved to another employer. You just have to pay what the employer was paying for your. In cases like this, your new employer could offer to put you on their plan or pay you what they would have paid so you can put it toward your old plan. No preexisting conditions that way!

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            • How great that you all have employer provided insurance. This is why the system will not change. You got yours and it’s free or low cost. F9ck everyone else. It’s the Republican way: root, hog or die.

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        • I am a doctor and know very well what the drivers of healthcare problems are in the U.S. It’s the government. Regulations severely drive up the cost. I’m not saying that regulation is necessarily a bad thing but you cannot blame the healthcare system for problems caused by government. Also, anything that offers a treatment that falls outside of the pharmaceutical realm is often squashed by the government via the FDA. So many patients are often clueless about the many alternatives available to them because it is silenced. The government never has been nor will it ever be the answer to improving access. Any system will always have its good and bad points but going to any socialized form of care always puts the decision making into the hands of bureaucrats, not healthcare providers. Our system works for the vast majority. It’s the small percentage that struggles not with access but ability to pay. That will always exist. Educating people on healthier eating, exercise and other health-promoting habits is where we should be focusing our energies. It is cheaper and easier to stay well than to get well. I participated in two groups of doctors back in 2009 who sent representatives to Washington with great ideas to improve access to care. The Democrats then in charge met with our members behind closed doors, rejected all of the offers without ever even listening to the ideas. They pointed fingers at the doctors and told them they were the problem, that they could be replaced with nurse practitioners, even for surgeries. Democrats were never interested in actual positive changes to improve the system. It was and always has been about usurping individual choice and control over healthcare decisions.

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      • Germany does not have one payer socialized medicine, patients can choose to do whatever they want to do and where, they have private insurers, and public. Of their taxpayer-funded medicine, which you may be referring to as socialized medicine, it can be easily funded since it has the taxpayers of the United States actually subsidizing it by way of providing much of its national defense. In fact, all those countries in Europe that socialists like to use as examples of socialism that purportedly works, their social programs would collapse if they had to fund their own military defense at 100%, no USA protection whatsoever, no USA foreign aid etc., then watch how easily they can provide free anything from their governments.

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            • Our sanitation standards are far better. There’s no EPA in China to stem the garbage, filth, and disease. But you can go and stay there all you want, sweetpea.

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            • So you’re not a free market person? You appreciate the federal government’s role and the EPA @sfcmac? Or should I call you cupcake since we’re onto dismissive pet names?

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            • I believe in free market economy and capitalism. We have regulations that help monitor waste management in this country. The EPA had a tendency to overreach, so recently, it’s been reigned in with more common sense laws. China has zero oversight on sanitation and waste. The air pollution in China is so bad that people have been wearing face masks for a long time. As for names, sweetpea fits someone who is as naive and incredibly dismissive of facts, such as you. Run along now, kid.

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            • @sffcmac- try having a reasoned discussion without resorting to name-calling. It’s a healthy exercise. If your ideas are worth anything, they’ll be able to stand on their merits without you behaving like a child. As for being dismissive of facts- I’ve done no such thing. Present a fact, and I am happy to discuss that. Make a nasty ignorant comment about a country you have never visited when I have lived there- I might challenge that. It’s called dialogue.

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          • Jen,
            I call it as I see it. You may have traveled and lived throughout the country, but you’ve never been subjected to the communist totalitarian regime in a way that the Chinese citizens are. If you actually encountered any of the pollution and filth in China you must have been blithely ignorant. h t t p s://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2166542/air-pollution-killing-1-million-people-and-costing-chinese
            Since your idea of dialog is to ignore the facts and focus on the smiley-face tourist version, there’s no use in entertaining your propaganda any further. So long, cupcake.

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            • Hey- I call you cupcake. I’m sweetpea, remember? In any event- we aren’t talking about the same things here. I can’t tell if it’s because communication is challenging on social media platforms or if we are so trained to approach one another in a spirit of animosity or if you’re not really interested in dialogue. You came on my comment saying that China is a “cesspool of filth.” That’s pretty strong language. Especially for a person who has never been there. The issue I tried to address is the faulty logic of the writer and the insertion of China and the current outbreak to bridge into his preference for the free-market. It’s dangerous, disingenuous, and sloppy. That’s all I was focused on. I can agree with the fact that there are problems with the government, that the healthcare system in China is problematic, that there is no overseeing body (and if there is, it would likely be rife with corruption), that the theory of free-market medicine is attractive, AND still take issue with the author’s impression of China and use of xenophobic undertones. People are so caught up in their assumptions and either-or thinking. I know it’s annoying, but it helps to slow down, ask questions, avoid assumptions as much as possible, and just engage in an exchange of ideas.

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        • There is a big difference between Beijing and the countryside, and my guess is you have not spent time in the countryside. I have and had to throw my shoes away because I could not get rid of the urine stench, it had even permeated my suitcase. Just look into the kitchen of many Chinese restaurants in the US and it is difficult to deny that there is a culturally different standard of cleanliness. Have you ever been in a gas station deep in the countryside of China? The smell of urine is so penetrating that the people who work there wear masks, maybe modern plumbing will help or maybe not, it seems to in Beijing.

          Somehow I can’t get a recent experience of a great-grand “motherly’’ Chinese woman spitting right at me in Yellowstone park, yes there are undeniable cultural differences. The writers experiences are, in my experience, all too real. Why not just leave it at that and realize that your PR mission might work for homebodies but for those who have been there it is futile.

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          • I have traveled extensively through China. And while I lived in the city, I most certainly traveled to the countryside. I lived the cultural differences. When I first arrived in Shanghai in 2006- split pants were everywhere, people seemed to spit as they pleased, getting onto the metro was not for the faint, and I could go on and on. I’m not on a PR mission, by the way. I have many issues with China. But the tone of this article is troubling, and I find the trail of logic highly problematic. If the author wants to write about the state of healthcare in this nation and argue for the merits of a free-market approach to insurance in the US, he can do that without trying to piggyback onto a current health crisis while using xenophobic undertones. It’s a lazy writing trick. I’ve done it myself before. If you can’t see the danger of promoting the stereotypes that he has- I can’t help you.

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            • So, if Chinese sanitation practices are off limits for criticism, what about the conduct of the Chinese government in concealing the problem as an initial response? The quality of care in China is entirely dependent on the machinations of the State. There is nothing xenophobic in calling out all the shortcomings of a communist system — this is not the first health crisis they have bungled in the interests of saving face.

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            • You’re right @cheeflo. There is nothing wrong with calling out the shortcomings of a communist system. I am the first to do so. If you would read- I never implied anyone should do such a thing. There is nothing wrong with calling out xenophobia in a xenophobic article.

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            • Please elaborate what, explicitly, you find xenophobic about the article. Everything he stated was a fact. It happened. It happens all the time. There is no regulation, which causes disease. This exact outbreak was traced to the Wuhan district, and more importantly, to tainted street meats. The lack of sanitary regulation caused the initial case (patient 0) and the lack any real medical infrastructure or timely medical resources lead to the outbreak that is currently spreading across the world. He’s not piggybacking anything. The healthcare system and lack of regulation is 100% to blame here.

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      • Amy2 & fscmac – Socialized medicine is no different than any other governmental or privately run program from the perspective of the rules under which it is run and the desire and determination of those executing those rules to perform their jobs efficiently and effectively. Jen Kenney makes the point that socialized medicine works well in Germany yet you ignore her point to focus on a country where it doesn’t. You have not made your point – only changed the topic from what does work to what doesn’t work – not addressing the fact that Socialized medicine is does work in other countries other than China.

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        • Tell your theories about socialized medicine to the people in Britain. British health care kills thousands of patients every year; one of whom was a former NHS director who died waiting for an operation at her own hospital. I already know about single payer health care. I go to the VA. Everything the government touches turns to shit. At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system, many of whom were placed on a secret waiting list.

          The secret list was part of an elaborate scheme designed by Veterans Affairs managers in Phoenix who were trying to hide that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor. Keep your government paws off my medical care.

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            • And the government violated the 10th amendment by creating a commerce and forcing people to buy it. ObamaCare.

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          • @sfcmac:
            British health care “kills thousands”???
            Dude, they have a life expectancy and infant mortality that kicks America’s ass.
            And although the Brits don’t fund the NHS nearly as well as they should, they are still generally pleased with it.

            It is WELL DOCUMENTED that America loses at minimum 40,000 (recent studies indicate perhaps even 70,000) lives each year due to poor access or avoidance of healthcare linked with our insane high costs found NO WHERE ELSE ON EARTH.

            If America could simply match Canada’s infant mortality rate (we were better than them always until just after Canada got universal healthcare in the 60s) — we would save about 8,000 babies a year.

            American health (non)care impresses pretty much no one from an industrialized nation.

            FYI: Single payer has nothing to do with delivery of healthcare. Canada has a more privatized system of delivery than America (thanks to your VA). There is no logical link to single payer (that’s insurance) and delivery.

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            • Dude, the flaws in the Brit NHS are well documented. A Briton is 5 times more likely to die from government health care than an American is to die from a gunshot. Since this site doesn’t like to post links, I’ll have to write it this way: h t t p s ://rt. com/news/uk-hospital-payout-scandal-667/

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            • The filthy, impersonal, and antiquated bureaucracy of the British NHS far exceeds any flaws in our medical system. h t t p s ://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/hard-lesson-about-socialized-medicine
              The VA’s approach is a “single payer” system and and veterans have dies waiting for care. Single payer limits the choices and rations the level of care. If ObamaCare were fully enacted, it would increase family premiums by $3000, increase taxes, create death panels, will cost an estimated $1.8 trillion annually, and the jackboots at the IRS will come after you with a penalty tax if you don’t have health insurance. Don’t think so? Obviously, you didn’t read the ObamaCare bill. The Independent Payment Advisory Board, IPAB was to be a 15 member panel that would decide whether or not your medical condition was worth treating. h t t p s://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ipab-obama-and-socialism-stanley-kurtz/
              Don’t think thousands die because of Brit socialist healthcare? Read for yourself: h t t p s://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10778537/Thousands-die-of-thirst-and-poor-care-in-NHS.html
              Dude.

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            • I’m at work & can’t read everything now, but the first article you shared (thx for the link!) was referring to a single UK hospital and instances that were all 11+ years ago.

              It’s easy to dig up anecodotal horror stories on hospitals, nursing homes, hospice care, etc in any country.

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            • “It’s easy to dig up anecodotal horror stories on hospitals, nursing homes, hospice care, etc in any country.”
              Those anecdotal stories also involve the atrocious level of care in British hospitals, thanks to the NHS. You may not mind taking your chances in a facility that may or may not treat your medical condition based on their socialist idea of care, but I’d rather not. I have enough concern over my chances at the VA.

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        • Like sfcmac I have seen the medical system in Germany! I experienced it by assisting a local national get assistance with a cardiac problem. The facilities were ultimately clean, but I never saw what the height or shortcomings of the system because my friend was so far down the list to see a heart doctor that she was forced to seek out (and pay out of pocket) for a PRIVATE DOCTOR. None of the high taxes and fees that were (are) paid to support the public healthcare system (that did not work for her) were refunded to help pay for the kind of care we as Americans expect and all too many want for free.

          The biggest problem with universal health insurance it that the younger people think they are “bullet proof”, and believe they should not have to pay for insurance because they never get seriously sick, and for the normal ills that effect them they can afford to pay out of pocket. BUT, when the catastrophic happens, then they want it paid for by insurance that they have not even paid for yet!

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          • Americans are living longer and the younger people in the work force are being burdened with the cost of medicare and medicaid. Nothing is free. People who are enamored with anything socialist, especially the health care system, never think about the long term consequences.

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    • @Jen I was reading this article thinking the exact same thing. I too spent much time in China and did not experience it in any manner like the author. Opportunistic authors tend to want to cherry-pick issues to suit their agenda. In this regard, he did not disappoint.

      What he fails to realize or at least illustrate are the obvious issues with 1.5 billion humans within an area the size of the U.S. Think about that for a minute. Imagine multiplying the population of NYC or Chicago by FIVE.

      It is also worth noting that China is at least as capitalistic as the United States and their technology is quickly eclipsing ours.

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        • So apart from being tickled pink, do you have anything intelligent to add? Seriously, do you disagree with Steven Rattner when he argues that “despite its Communist heritage,” China “understands the benefits of incorporating a robust free-enterprise element.”?

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          • IF China embraces capitalism as was stated, then why are there so many problems with people in Hong Kong loosing the freedoms of self determination. This was one of the most capitalistic places on earth – until control was given to mainland China.

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            • Joe: Are you confusing capitalism (an economic system) with republicanism or democracy (which are political/governmental systems)? No question, the government in China, wholly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party is anti-democratic and anti-republican. But that doesn’t mean it can’t use certain portions of a capitalist economic system to advance its totalitarian purposes. . . .

              Mao himself once urged that the Party should “let a thousand flowers [to] bloom.” But, of course, as soon as he saw he was losing control, he cut off all their heads, all their blooms. . . .

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      • If “…their technology is eclipsing ours”, i daresay it’s because they stole much of it. And much was given to them (without authorization!) by president Clinton. I have strong suspicions that one of my inventions was among them.

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        • I’ve been to China over 100 times. It is a shit hole. China has no respect for Intellectual Property. 99.99% of Chinese don’t really understand the concept of IP. I have no doubt that, given any opportunity, they would steal your IP and never give it a second thought.

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    • Your comments are certainly valid. During the time you lived in China did you spend much time in rural areas, or just the larger metropolitan areas?

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    • What exactly to you base your sweeping generalization “look at countries like Germany who have socialized medicine and do it beautifully”? I lived in Germany for many years. It’s a two-tiered, expensive system. If you don’t “buy up” to the upper tier, you’re waiting for healthcare while wondering why 57% of your wages go to the government in taxes.

      Try Switzerland: Government mandates that everyone have at least catastrophic insurance (this is part of registering to live in your town/village — for citizens and immigrants), and mandates that any insurance company in Switzerland must sell the catastrophic insurance at a set price, but are free to also offer other insurance. There is ZERO government medical care. It is 100% private, competitively priced, and it works.

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      • And yet Switzerland is also the 2nd most expensive healthcare on earth (still miles cheaper than the non-universal legalized consumer rape of America).

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        • You are surely not comparing apples to apples. Swiss healthcare insurance is very competitively priced. Out of pocket expenses — as a percentage of household income, not compared 1:1 with other countries — is also reasonable. I have lived here 20 years.

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    • I lived in China for almost three years, and stepping in poop: never happened to me. The customary potty training is unsanitary to us. But it’s traditional, not communist. Moreover, it’s worth noting that if you’re potty training kids without a car, you’re walking/taking buses for up to an hour to work, and paying to use a toilet, things get dicey. This is why the Chinese don’t wear shoes in the home.
      It’s also worth noting that countries like Sweden are socialist countries. Countries like China are communist, but the healthcare system and the production of food over there is a veery multilayered issue, recent industrialization not being the least of factors.
      This guy adopting a kid from China doesn’t make him an expert on China or the “birth of a virus” anymore than not being registered makes him an honest independent. And Communism and socialism are worlds apart.
      I’m not a proponent of socialism, but I’m also not a fan of people using the customs of a third world country to disgust and shame Americans into being grateful for a system that excludes its weakest members. Ok, maybe universal healthcare isn’t the answer (maybe it is), but it isn’t “communist” as we know, because China sure as heck doesn’t have it. And we know from *developed* countries that have UHC, it also doesn’t lead to super viruses.
      This is IMO, an undereducated argument based on nationalism, fear mongering, and correlation over cause. It doesn’t indicate a clear knowledge of social politics, Chinese culture or infrastructure, OR epidemiology. It’s unsettling that it’s going around looking like some wealth of biological information only to prove to be an ignorant political association. Click bait is a very cheap substitute for writing, even in a blog. 😒

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      • Disgusting & shaming Americans is not what was intended – how in heavens name you came to that conclusion is puzzling.
        The system we currently have in place does not exclude any member – if you can make it to the emergency room you’ll get worked on – I live in a sanctuary state I see it all the time 😉
        Our system is the best in the world, just ask those seeking medical care in the US from all parts of the globe.

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      • “Communism and socialism are worlds apart.”

        That’s absurd. Communism is merely one name for socialism. The official position of the Communist Party is that socialism is to be promoted as just a step on the road to communism.

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        • Even if “socialism” (whatever that means to you) was promoted as “a step on the road to communism”, that would NOT make it communism.

          If eating too many sweets is a step towards obesity, does that mean anyone eating sweets IS already obese?

          If a train to lower Manhattan is the first step to reaching Brooklyn, does that mean lower Manhattan IS Brooklyn?

          If believing in the tenets of the Roman Catholic church were just initial steps towards becoming a priest, does your muddled logic think being a believing Catholic is equal to being a priest?

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          Also, this “step on the road” idea is the official position of WHICH Communist party? Where? Is there just one universal party?

          PS:
          You do realize the world only has about 4 “communist” nations and truthfully China has been mostly a cutthroat capitalist nation for about 20 years (I lived there 20 years ago and again 2 years ago) . Similar could probably be said for modern Vietnam.

          Communism doesn’t really exist — and it almost never did. Actual communism would have had nothing to do with authoritarianism — and as we all know USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba were mostly oligarchic gerontacracies — dictatorship by a few old crusty male thugs.

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          • -“Communism doesn’t really exist”
            Sadly, free market capitalism doesn’t really exist either. Everyone today (China, the US, everybody) exercises crony capitalism where some markets, some consumers, and some powerful lobbies get special treatment. But the freer we can make markets, the freer the people will be.

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        • The only difference between socialism and communism is that with the former, the chains of slavery are self administered.

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      • What do you mean excludes its weakest members?
        Who is excluded?
        Medicaid covers virtually everyone who can’t afford health care. And even for those who somehow fall through the cracks [illegals for instance] no one is turned away from ERs.
        Most of the ills of American healthcare are a result of the disruption and smothering of free markets not an excess of them. Medicare itself is a substantial burden on the rest of the sector. Medicare through its monopoly power squeezes its end of the balloon to such an extent it causes those on private insurance to make up the slack through inflated costs.
        With the gigantic overregulation, Federal involvement, crazy legal system, attachment of insurance to occupation and the associated tax distortions and the increasing distance from costs-benefit and customer-provider relationships all those cause its a wonder US healthcare works as well as it does.
        And Sweden is primarily a welfare state not a socialist country.

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        • I’m a nurse and worked three years in public health. You are sorely mistaken if you think most of America qualifies for Medicaid. Adults, in most cases do NOT, and the cut off level for kids is pretty dang low. The whole point here is -the Coronavirus isn’t because of universal healthcare, and universal health care doesn’t lead to Coronavirus, which is what he’s proposing. It’s a total logical fallacy.

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        • Who Medicaid is available to depends on the state, but in Oklahoma it is only available to families with children, disabled people, and the elderly. No matter how little money you make you can’t get it if you aren’t in one of those categories. Which means that anyone making less than the federal poverty level doesn’t qualify for the tax credits/insurance marketplace savings (because states were initially required to expand medicaid coverage to everyone who made less than 133% of the poverty level and then that part was made voluntary for the states), so their health care options are even more expensive than if they made one to four times the poverty level.

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      • Thank you, Jessica. You nailed it. “This is IMO, an undereducated argument based on nationalism, fear mongering, and correlation over cause. It doesn’t indicate a clear knowledge of social politics, Chinese culture or infrastructure, OR epidemiology. It’s unsettling that it’s going around looking like some wealth of biological information only to prove to be an ignorant political association. Click bait is a very cheap substitute for writing, even in a blog. 😒”

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    • I have never been to China. I didn’t read this article and assume the author was an authority on China given the reason of his visit. I didn’t read this article and assume the conditions the author outlined are typical of the country (if only half is true in a small area of China it is still very sad as are the areas in the US were so many homeless reside) . I didn’t read the article and assume this newest virus was based on conditions the author experienced. I know our health care system may not be perfect but it is far better then Medicare for all or single payer. My biggest take away from the article was the truth that single payer also means single buyer.
      We are very fortunate to live in a country of so many freedoms. We must think long and hard about what socialism would mean in our country. I don’t hate Sanders, but dislike his ideology and policies. I don’t love our current Presidents rhetoric, but his policies and less government involvement
      views are a breath of fresh air. I know that no one politician will ever offer all of the solutions or visions that I would want, so I look to one that is closet to what I believe is best for our country. Rhetoric is just that.

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    • Interesting that you say he’s wrong several times, but you never point out why. It sounds like your experience was different than his, then spend some effort to say how. Did you receive top medical care there, by specialists, on demand, etc.?

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      • I didn’t receive top medical care by specialists. I did receive top medical care in foreign-friendly hospitals for those who could afford it. But I’m not arguing that China’s medical system is good. It’s abysmal, quite frankly and it was terrifying having a child there with serious medical issues that nobody on the mainland could help. But China is a horrible example to use. It’s a communist country that is more capitalist in ways than the US and they do not have healthcare for all. But this is a complex issue that requires a knowledge of history, culture, and politics in this vast country and not one that I am getting into because 1- I don’t have the time and 2- it’s not actually the point of the author.

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    • First: Germany has a multi-payer healthcare system which includes private healthcare insurance. The UK’s socialist medicine has nearly collapsed – why did people have to fly to India for better care? Canada has a waiting list that is so long you are likely to die before you get an MRI.
      The author of the article was relaying his experience – which does not negate his opinion. Yes China does have a healthcare problem – research this please: “Healthcare in China consists of both public and private medical institutions and insurance programs. About 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coverage. Despite this, public health insurance generally only covers about half of medical costs, with the proportion lower for serious or chronic illnesses. Under the “Healthy China 2020″ initiative, China is currently undertaking an effort to cut healthcare costs, and the government requires that insurance will cover 70% of costs by the end of 2018. The Chinese government is working on providing affordable basic healthcare to all residents by 2020.”
      The author had strong opinions on what he observed! He did not go beyond those nuances. But he did relate it to Communism which by definition is subversive and has a vast history of failure and suffering.

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    • Also an adoptive parent who traveled to China. Getting sick there was one of the worst experiences. A clinic there provided no doctor, just 2 people behind a desk who handed my husband & I thermometers we were told to keep in our mouths for more than 5 minutes. After that, we were handed packets of pills from behind the counter with no explanation of what they were. Needless to say they didn’t work & we were quite miserable.
      As for Germany, good for the Germans. Other developed countries as Bernie always points to as bastions of great care such as the UK & Canada, have horrific records. 20,000 cancer patients are turned away from NIH monthly. Ambulance waits can extend into days. If you’re fortunate enough to have one pick you up you may be parked outside of the hospital for 12 hours. Canada is projected to require up to 95% of revenues allocated to provinces for healthcare. The first thing I was told after a traumatic leg injury & surgery by my physical therapist was to be extremely grateful I wasn’t waiting in Canada for 6 months to have my shattered leg repaired. Routine, life-saving tests like colonoscopies are scheduled so far out from when people need them, when they finally receive them, it’s often too late. Euthanasia is frequently offered in lieu of medical care. Denmark probably has the highest rate of assisted suicide. Good doctors here would quickly retire. They’re already up to their necks in bureaucratic red tape & frankly, so am I as I’ve watched small, personal Drs. offices in my state turn into impersonal conglomerates. It’s not uncommon to now have to deal with 5 or 6 specific people with specific little functions before you get to see a doctor that’s not your doctor because we have a lack of doctors for the constant influx of people into communities. The new thing is physician assistants. So many people, so much bureaucracy, so little time is turning into mistakes or referrals for never-ending testing so that a Dr. isn’t going outside their narrow little lane & at risk of malpractice. Or, likely getting a kickback from a referral. And where are we to get the enormous number of doctors we’re going to require with an ever-increasing population, mass illegal immigration, free services that make people use them more & students barely literate in math & science? Canada is looking at a shortage of 90k in 5 yrs. The GOP should have begun fixing healthcare in earnest day 1 of Trump’s administration. It’s one of the biggest mistakes they’ve made & the strong possibility of making healthcare a human right is that you won’t be able to access that “right.” With all power in government hands, the old, infirm, disabled might have to go to save money we don’t have. For all I know Socialists would decide your care based on political affiliation. No. I wouldn’t in a million yrs. want single payer.

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      • This article is how the virus starts, its a re-post from a right wing propaganda, the story is shit and the re-post is shit, soapy story for dumb people

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      • Christine: You have mentioned a bunch of very specific numbers and details. I appreciate that. Your commentary at least sounds well-informed. By any chance, can you provide documentation for “20,000 cancer patients are turned away from NIH monthly”; “ambulance waits can extend into days”; “if you’re fortunate enough to have one pick you up you may be parked outside of the hospital for 12 hours”; you could have been “waiting in Canada for 6 months to have [your] shattered leg repaired” (which, of course, would have meant your leg would have become irreparable)? . . .

        These are pretty astonishing/damning claims, if true. And they are specific enough that they sound more credible than so many claims I’ve seen in the “discussion,” here, so far!

        I found myself nodding in agreement with your multiple conclusions:

        * The GOP should have begun fixing healthcare in earnest day 1 of Trump’s administration.

        * The strong possibility of making healthcare a human right is that you won’t be able to access that “right.”

        * With all power in government hands, the old, infirm, disabled might have to go to save money we don’t have.

        * For all I know Socialists would decide your care based on political affiliation.

        * No. I wouldn’t in a million yrs. want [forced, required, no-other-options] single payer.

        Thanks for writing!

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      • Not for nothing but our insurance companies act as gatekeepers of which medical procedures we can have. Doctor suggests 12 physical therapy sessions? You can have 3! You’re in a 30 day drug rehab program? 14 days is all we’ll pay for. Mental health? FUGHEDABOUDIT!!! We’re not paying anything for mental health! Our system fails also.

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        • They actually only intermediate what your plan will pay for. One of the nice things about our system is you can buy any service you want. That’s another benefit of your employer not offering insurance, they can pay you the money they would’ve spent, and you can buy that plan that includes the mental health coverage you need.

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    • Has anyone considered that the title while catchy with the current situation, is really an allegory to the dangers of socialism/communism? I understand there is discussion about the spread of a virus at the end, but I don’t thing his assertions are unreasonable and I also recognize that they are his opinions.
      I’ll admit, I’m partial to the author’s opinion about socialism/communism in the piece whether he has the experience or not in a foreign country. It’s not necessary for me to have experienced what a socialist or communist country is like to understand the dangers this type of governing presents. I read and I form my own educated opinions from historical facts. Being immersed in a culture is not necessary to make this judgement.
      As for this author being xenophobic, perhaps you should get to know this individual before you throw out words like that to describe someone who is basically a stranger to you. He wrote about his observations during his time in China and admitted his own fault of being a germaphobe. There is no degradation or hate of Chinese people or their culture in this message, there are honest observations of one person’s experience.

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    • Sure is easy to label someone “xenophobic” because you don’t agree with his opinion or don’t like what he is saying. You didn’t say racist, but is that what you meant? I don’t think he is afraid of China or the Chinese – just their healthcare system. This is a horrific and scary story because it happened in our world today. The fact that it is in a foreign country, China, is important, not because it is China, but because it is one more example of what a bad idea socialized medicine (and socialism/communism) is. That would not be xenophobia but Communistphobia. How about you label him something more appropriate – what is the name of the phobia of one who fears socialized medicine taking over our country? Or fears living in a country where you step in urine and feces in the streets of the city? (I need a name for this one because I call it fear of San Francisco, or Los Angeles)

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      • It’s not about being easy to label someone’s actions xenophobic, but it’s important to do so when they are. I am not perfect, and if someone pointed out an area where I was adding to the stereotyping and dehumanization of others- I would want to listen and make it right. You do know that people are being harassed here in the US? That Asian people are dealing with attacks, both physically and verbally? That Asian-owned/run business’ are suffering? That people are being targeted and kids are being bullied? All of this contributes to that. The stories that China as a whole is filthy or that the Chinese people as a whole are inherently dirty adds nothing to the discussion about whether the US should have single-payer/ government-run healthcare. Literally, nothing. This author can do better.

        I haven’t had the time to respond to all the comments on this thread, but I could talk about how much growth China has experienced in the last 30 years, the amazing strides they’ve made as a nation, and how China has dealt with the outbreak. I can assure you- the US would not be able to deal with an outbreak of that magnitude here in the States. They built an actual hospital in 10 days. But I digress as that wasn’t the point and focus of my initial comment.

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          • saying things that are xenophobic and racist are xenophobic and racist. if that hurts your feelings, I can’t help you.

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        • A call B.S. on building a hospital in 10 days…they simply put hospital equipment, and supplies into an existing empty building that was never designed to be a hospital. No single rooms, only common bed wards. It takes three years or more to build a first rate hospital in the U.S. from the ground up. They are special purpose buildings, with a design to facilitate urgent patient ER care, Re-hab, Operating rooms, lab facility functions, emergency power, safe and clean environmental surfaces, and sterile contained rooms. I would not want surgery, or health care in this 10 day hospital….it is nothing more than a treatment, testing, and containment location to accept many 1000’s of virus suspected patients.

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    • Jen, I have been to China 112 (yes, 112) times. The author is absolutely correct and you are absolutely wrong. China is filthy. Split pants for infants are still common. And still filthy. Spitting in public is normal. Food hygiene is terrible. And yes, government as the only source of healthcare means no competition and piss-poor healthcare. My number one dread while traveling in China was being injured in an auto accident.

      You added nothing to this discussion except to tell us you spent time in China.

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      • I have lived in China for 2,190 days. I had a high-risk pregnancy and gave birth to my twins there. I lived there with a child with a serious medical condition. I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I never said China is immaculately clean, that their healthcare is good (it’s abysmal), or my position on healthcare in the US. I challenged the tone of the author’s article and his ignorant commentary in as kind and thoughtful a way as possible. What I’ve added to the conversation, is a challenge to deeper thought on some aspects of the article. To say I’ve added nothing is interesting.

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    • I did not see the article as xenophobic—it seems to try to point out failings in a “socialistic health system” such as medicare for all—I paid for years by way of medicare tax for the right to pay each month for medicare and a supplement—Pleas answer if you can about the remark that Lenin made about four year old children—we, in fact, have mostly turned our four years over to a public school system that has replaced “COMMON SENSE” with indoctrination and we are now having a candidate run as a Socialist—Remember this—the difference between Socialism/Communism is how they take over—Socialism thru programs(such as free stuff) while Communism uses the gun and force—think about that when you go to vote—check out my Daddy’s Common Sense for a read of the truth and Common Sense—

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    • I am HORRIFIED by this man’s words. The more I think about them, the angrier I get. And as the mother of a daughter adopted from China, I feel deeply for this man’s daughter who was obviously brought up in a home filled with the hatred of her birth culture.

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    • Sorry Jen, you sound just a bit too enamored with the China and its Communist culture. When you’re dealing with a billion plus people you can’t expect to have much care given you in hospitals that are overworked underpaid and understaffed. You failed to mention the filth that people live with and accept as normal and routine. If you must get sick pray you are in the United States of America. Period.

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      • Nope. Not the case. I certainly don’t like communism. Why is it that people are so stuck in binary thinking? Why must it be all or nothing? I call out a problematic undertone in one aspect of writing and suddenly I’m “enamored with communism”, ” naive”, “clueless”, and on and on people go. It’s a fascinating exercise in human behavior and communication, that’s for sure.

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    • I notice that throughout your comments, you continue to refer to the author & his article as xenophobic. If you knew anything about Regie, you’d know that nothing could be further from the truth., I’d wager that if you asked everyone who knows him, they’d all be in complete agreement with me on that.

      It’s been my observation that the vast majority of people’s claims that someone is xenophobic (or racist, or mysogynistic) are patently false & their only purpose is to draw attention away from the real issue at hand. I don’t disagree with everything you’ve said, but I do completely disagree with the xenophobic comments.

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      • Kimberly- this isn’t a character-assassination. Regie could be an amazing human being with a heart of gold, and still, say things that are harmful. Part of the reason I commented in the way I did is that I assume that to be the case. I am a passionate advocate for racial reconciliation and anti-racism, and I say and think things that are racist and xenophobia. It doesn’t make me a bad person. Too many people have no idea what xenophobia or racism is and we are far too interested in clutching our good people pearls while getting offended.

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        • No pearl clutching here and I do understand that there is such a thing as unintentional xenophobia/racism. We are all at some or many points in our lives guilty of this activity.

          In my humble opinion, it seems like the only solution allowable by many critics is to say nothing and avoid discussing difficult topics in order to prevent this from ever happening. I’m not sure where growth can come fromnwith this thought process.

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    • I would never go to this Country. The way they treat animals and eat EVERYThing including dogs and cats is wrong and how they treat all animals is extremely disturbing and makes me sick to think about. And the way they treat their people is almost as bad.

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    • I disagree with your contention completely. What you call dangerous xenophobic logic, I call a Comprehensive warning against the idea that Americans need to adopt certain aspects of socialism or communism principles or ideas and that we can control it and leave out the bad……. We DO NOT and Will NOT be using any of that trash in our collective futures as Americans in this country. We are about to revolt against the governmental abuses that have taken us(Americans) to the brink of Constitutional destruction of everything we know and love about our Republic. And replacing those Democrat impostors with Real (Tradition minded ) Americans who still believe in the American Way and the American Constitution. I have many friends who have come from socialist and communist countries. In their explanations, they ESCAPED and came to America to experience individual freedom………… Not one of them have ever left here since…….. Socialism, and Communism, and Fascism all have one undeniable similarity in common. All People under those governments are SLAVES to the governments will. Personal freedom is irrelevant, And that is the reason We the People are not going to allow any more of this ridiculous attempt to undermine our Republic anymore. This next election will decide the next hundred years of our nation. And the 26% of democratic socialists that is being paraded around as 51% is about to discover what happens when someone try’s to take away what we have fought and died for, for over 240 years. We won the last Civil War(against the Slave Owning Democrat Party) and We the People of the United States of America will win the next one if we are forced to. Socialism and Communism is a Lie that we will not participate in ANY MORE………………. PERIOD !

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      • Yowzie, Bobby Lee! Did you actually pay attention to what Jen wrote? You seem to think she is opposing something in America or arguing FOR Communism or socialism or Chinese greatness. That is so completely WRONG. And your suggestions that her comments did anything like what you suggested: extremely offensive.

        Just because someone notes that someone (in this case, Regie) had made some inappropriate/false/misleading comments or bad arguments does not mean she opposes the conclusions. (Maybe she does. Maybe she doesn’t. Based on what I have seen, I imagine the latter. But it doesn’t matter.) She was “simply” calling out a very BAD ARGUMENT.

        Put another way: She is asking him to put forward a BETTER argument. A more nuanced argument.

        I think those in the anti-Bernie camp (of which I will proudly identify myself) need to come up with well-reasoned arguments that will stand up to the criticism of those who currently think they “love” his proposals. Presenting bad “arguments” (or NON-arguments, as Regie has done, here, I’m afraid) isn’t going to convince anyone on “the other side.”

        Someone–you, me, Regie, someone–needs to come up with careful arguments that will convince.

        This one won’t make it.

        It will generate (as it has) lots of applause from those who are already convinced, and who know no better about China. But for those who are unconvinced, and/or who have experienced the beauty and wonders of modern China (not to mention are aware of other FREER places that offer what they call Universal Health Care): we need good arguments.

        Regie’s, I’m afraid, wasn’t one.

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    • I don’t know where this guy was in China, but we went to two cities 19 years ago to adopt our daughter, and seven cities 10 years ago to explore China and had completely different experiences. Of course, he must know that there is no limit apparently to incomes in China as income inequality has become a major problem there. On the latest rip, it seemed like everybody was starting their own little business in every hole in the wall! The hospitals there were just a little worse than ours, but the care was sufficient and very cheap. A friend was seen the same day and taken care of well. Now, on the news, you can see for yourself the hospitals! We were told on both trips that the water is not clean there like here, so DON’T drink the water and don’t eat ANY fresh foods! Maybe he did. I have plenty of health challenges and dietary problems, but did fine there both trips because I listened to the guidelines! We ate constantly! The streets were as clean or better than many American cities. Maybe he lives in some suburb, not a city. The fresh air food markets were not at all clean and the food, like other countries at such places, was not sanitary. China will have to eliminate or clean those up immediately as well as end the sale of wild foods. They should have done it years ago. There are really incredible masses of people compared to here and healthcare must be almost impossible with such crowding. We need a public option for those who can’t afford healthcare. It doesn’t have to be fancy, but adequate, kind of like I got growing up on Army posts all over. If you or your company want to pay for elite care, fine. We do need to streamline our insurance and payment systems. They are the real nightmare and incredible money pit due to administrative costs—just ask any doctor or hospital. Also, it is in our interest to assist any other countries across the world with their sanitary and health systems as in today’s mobile world, we will suffer from any germs that break out…

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    • thank you for your courage in highlighting this lack of public hygiene in public places in China and the perfect breeding grounds it provides for the annual bombardments of flu viruses flooding across the world. Similar conditions can also be found in many other Asian and African countries and clearly the ‘world health organization’ is just a propaganda machine which will not address this issue globally. Basic hygiene is at the basis of any healthy society. I wish you much luck in the future.

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    • I read the article. I read your rebuttal. Except, it wasn’t a rebuttal at all. You criticized the logic of the article, and the inexperience (reference China) of the author, but I waited [in vain] for you to discount his report with a glorious ‘difference’ that is the real China. You said, ‘the author is wrong on the medical system in China’.. then went on to present ‘zero’ corrections on his observations. So apparently you just wanted to be a liberal critic of conservative ‘logic’. Sad.

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      • You did wait in vain because I wasn’t here to argue the quality of Chinese healthcare. When I said he was “wrong” about his assessment you made your own assumptions about the meaning. If anyone had asked, I would have said China doesn’t even really have government-run healthcare for all. The system has been so broken for so long.

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      • And you just want me to be a “liberal critic of conservative logic”. I’m a socially liberal fiscally conservative libertarian with the ability to call out problematic logic and maintain a certain level of good humor as I’m hammered with responses, name-calling, and assumptions (people have literally been stalking me from this post on my personal pages…super creepy). But I have a life and a job and I can’t continue to dedicate hours of my life to responding to people who aren’t even asking questions. So you’ll have to pardon me for the lackluster rebuttal you were hoping for.

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    • Like Jen Kinney, I also find this post very troubling. It suggests very easy answers to very complex problems which is usually not a good idea and most of the times leads to false assumptions. Like: There is communism in China, communism is bad, so socialized medicine cannot be good. I am German, living in Germany but with a large number of very good American friends, so I am acquainted with life in America which I have visited often. I would like to invite you, Regie, to live in Germany for a while and then write another post about “socialized medicine”.
      Good for you that you always seem to have enough money to afford the best healthcare for your daughter, but numerous campaings for fincancial support for friends of friends of mine who suffer from cancer e.g. that I have received through Facebook lead me to believe that not all of your fellow Americans are equally solvent.
      When our first son was born we also needed a lot of medical treatments for him and had to pay NOTHING for it, other than our regular monthly health insurance contribution. I am quite happy about our german socialized Medicine, in this case.
      As far as your view on China and how you describe Chinese People, I also find your statements very xenophobic. Considering you describe yourself as someone who grew up in pentecostal churches, I would like to remind you that one of the supreme teachings of Jesus in the bible is the one ‘to love God and to love our neighbor’. Our neighbor does not translate “only our fellow coutrymen”, so I would ask you to treat foreigners with more respect.

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    • Jen Kinney might as well have called him racist. Perhaps his use of the word ‘slosh’ was hyperbolic, but his principles are right on. We hear more and more this day of the human waste that abounds in the streets of our once beautiful cities on the East and West coasts, run by socialist Democrats.

      I live in Canada and we do have some very good care, but we also have some very bad care. You have to be very strong and have the time to research your medical problem and solution. The underlying problem for most people is that when the government is in control, there is no accountability, and the people have no voice!

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  2. People do not have a right to other people’s services, if they did it would be slavery. The services of the medical profession, if they are at the disposal of governments, are being controlled by the same people that don’t ‘educate’ our children in government schools. The same people that murdered 58,000 American troops in Vietnam for a lie. The same people that murdered 270,000,000 of their own citizens, not including wars, since 1900. These are the people that some want to trust with our medical delivery system. They don’t care about us at all, except in election years. Everything they say is a lie, everything they have is stolen. Taxation is theft!

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  3. Haixiao Qin Allow me to give some different ideas here, although I am a loyal friend of you. There are a lot of things to be clear.
    First of all, the blogger Regie wants to prove that free market is better than socialist economy in terms of healthcare. I leave the point for future discussion. But I want to first point out that his way of proving his opinion is wrong. He portrayed that China has very bad hygiene and people had terrible habits like spiting on the streets and didn’t have regulation for food safety. That is true. I especially hated people spiting when I was in China. I felt like I couldn’t breathe and wanted to vomit when I saw those people. It might be the reason that SARS virus originated in 2003. It might be the reason Coronavirus broke out this time, although I think a more possible cause is the laboratorial virus leaking out. It might be the reason why I constantly got stomachache if I ate street food with some friends at some pleasant summer nights. But the backward hygiene practices don’t have necessary connection with communism rule or state-run health system. In another words, you can’t use the hygiene issue in China to prove which healthcare system is to apply in the US or whether capitalism is better than socialism. This is the blogger first logical mistake.
    Second, Regie writes, “What we know, without a doubt, is that she would not have survived had she not gotten out of China; out of that system.”
    So here Regie thinks that China’s health system is socialist state-run. It is so bad that the baby with flaws couldn’t survive in this system. Thus, we should hate democrat’s plans and support republican’s plan. He doesn’t really know about what a Chinese system is. Let me explain. The health system in China is actually a pure capitalist system. Ironic? How can a communist country have a capitalist health system? Because of the reformation and opening. Before 1994, Chinese hospitals were all free. Basically, a state-run factory had its own hospital and it was free for all its workers. Farmers went to village clinics for free. I don’t say this system is perfect. That’s why it needed to be reformed. But the reformation went to a wrong direction. Beginning in 1994, China made hospitals to be profitable. Healthcare became a business. Hospitals and insurance companies tried to make as much money as they could from people who were sick. The burden for ordinary people became so much, that once a family member got a large disease such as cancer, the family was going to be bankrupted. The trick is that there was no out-of-pocket maximum. The insurance only pays 70-80%. The patients must pay the rest of the bill no matter how much. And the insurance doesn’t cover a lot of expensive medicines. So if a system askes patients to pay too much, how can poor people afford it? That’s why the defective babies were dropped on streets and were adopted by American families. If the insurance of the US is to make patients pay a lot and doesn’t cover the costs for pre-existing conditions or treating patients like the disabled babies, how can Regie save his bay in the US? If the baby’s biological parents were rich, he could have survived in China as well. So the reason the baby had a better future in the US is that the US is not a pure capitalist country. There are human parts written in law for healthcare system that the insurance companies must comply. And China doesn’t have a communist economy or socialist one. It is a pure capitalism in terms of the aspects that are related to people’s welfare, and a brutal totalitarian system in terms of people’s human rights and liberty. So I think Regie got a wrong example to prove his points.

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    • This is excellent. You were able to distill this blog post in a very logical and dispassionate way that helped me understand the authors’ shortcomings. There was a great deal of issue conflation. Socialism, communism, healthcare, poverty and so on. In reality, China is dealing with a lot more humans in a confined area. Make no mistake, they are extreme capitalists.

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      • I didn’t see any conflation of issues, only the valid explanation that any socialist system (which communism is) has severe negative consequences for healthcare and poverty, among so many other social issues.

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      • So you’re going to sit there and argue that China’s “backwardness” and their horrible healthcare system have nothing to do with their communist system? Rather, it’s because they are “extreme capitalists”? Let me guess, they aren’t communist enough, right? If only the government was given MORE power, right? You leftists suffer from a level of brainwashing only seen in religious cults. You fail to mention that China opened it’s markets to the world, and HAD to move in a free market direction because the “government ownership of the means of production” absolutely destroyed their economy. Same thing happened in Sweden. The latest growth of China’s economy is solely based on them adopting more and more free market principles. The communist gov’t have “allowed some” free market principles to be implemented and that is why they are seeing them grow, NOT, because they are becoming MORE communist. C’mon man, are you that intellectually dishonest?
        The more free market principles they allow, the more they will continue to modernize and the people’s living standards will continue to improve. That is an indictment on communism, not capitalism. The freer a person is to chart his own course, the better standard of living he/she will have, and, it’s not rocket science to figure out why that is.
        And, If you think the gov’t in China doesn’t have total control of the healthcare system you are not someone that can be reasoned with. To sit here and say that it is a “capitalist” run system is just intellectually dishonest.
        According to you, on the one hand we should blame China’s “capitalism” for absolutely atrocious healthcare and urine filled streets, and the absolute tyrannical choke hold on the people of China, but on the other, we should look at the incredible economic growth, economic freedom, infra-structure modernization, and all the shiny new buildings and cities that communism created. That’s nuts-o-world right there.
        You Leftists ALWAYS try to have it both ways…it’s “heads I win, tails you lose” with you loonies. I am SICK of you people constantly attacking America and all the good that has come from her existence, while excusing the most evil of ideologies, one that is responsible for more death and suffering than all wars in human history combined. You really have to look at how you came to believe that ideology has merit. I’ll give you a hint…it’s called “indoctrination”. And you know it is because you can compare that ideology to the one that gave rise to America and see the difference. Only a loony person would look at America’s stellar healthcare and find something to bitch about. Even the most poor among us have access to better healthcare and living conditions than the Emperor of Rome. He didn’t have indoor plumbing, central heating/air, immeasurable variety of food all conveniently locate just down the street. By the way, the aforementioned food is cheaper and accessible to more people than any time in human history thanks to innovation and and industrialization.

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        • Wow.

          From this paragraph…

          “This is excellent. You were able to distill this blog post in a very logical and dispassionate way that helped me understand the authors’ shortcomings. There was a great deal of issue conflation. Socialism, communism, healthcare, poverty and so on. In reality, China is dealing with a lot more humans in a confined area. Make no mistake, they are extreme capitalists.”

          …your takeaway was that I am a leftist and intellectually dishonest? That their condition was a result of extreme capitalism?

          I think you read what you wanted to read and colored in the rest.

          I am a three-time CEO here in the U.S. and am a staunch supporter of Capitalism. I believe it is the very best economic system to encourage humans to do incredible things.

          China’s issues are complex and many. They are not solely related to a particular idealogy. In particular, population. Their population is massive because their civilization is old AF. That also means that it is durable.

          In the US we have roughly the same landmass as mainland China with 330MM peeps. China is 1.4 billion. Their challenges are far greater than ours.

          It is my recommendation that rather than reacting and tossing out scare words like Leftist or socialism and spitting on your keyboard you try to take part in an actual discussion.

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        • I googled by putting “which country is most dirty? The result is “So, Overall and undoubtedly India is the most dirtiest country in the world.” Is that because India is a socialist country?
          China is a communist country in its root, but in medical, educational and housing sectors, Chinese government makes them absolute profitable so that people have to spend all their income, so the he profits can enrich the ruling classes. We call it the three mountains oppressing us. Do you think capitalisms is angle? It can take care of you automatically? I give only one example. How was Trump elected in 2016? Because of the shrinking of jobs in the US? Because Capitalists move their companies to China. If making products in China is cheaper, they don’t hesitate to leave the US and they don’t care that Americans lose their jobs. Tesla and Boeing are moving to China even if Trump started Trade War with China. Google is making a search engine for China to censor its people. How greedy are these capitalists! So you don’t think the government ought to put some measures to stop this? This is why Trump got into office. No matter its “ism”, if the people don’t have a saying, any system is going to benefit the few.

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      • in the 1980s i read a short news article about a refrigerator factory in China. Seems there was alot of defective refrigerators and complaints. One day the Chinese army showed up, chose five supervisors, took them outside and shot them.

        maybe YOU can go to China and become a fouth CEO.

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  4. I travelled to China to various cities in October 2019. It was the worst trip of my life and I have travelled to many parts of the world Cuba, Egypt, Jordan, Peru …not to name top countries like France, Switzerland…
    I want to say that the food was disgusting. The country is a dirty mess and when you eat out of your westernized hotel you are in trouble. You have to bring your own toilet paper and you pee over a hole where you have to step on other people ‘s piss, so gross. I have eaten in restaurant where the bathroom were scary, men do spit on the floor I get the gags when I think about it. It is overcrowded everywhere so people are rude. They cut in line and in front of you. They do not care. Chinese culture is not as interesting to me as Japanese, Egyptian or French so it was not a redeeming trip. Yes the terracota warriors were fun to see and Shanghai is cool, end of story. I spoke to some Chinese people about their life condition and it is government control everywhere for lodging or heating. Do we really want to go backwards in this country by voting a socialist like Bernie or a fake socialist like Bloomberg or a fraud like Warren.
    This is such a great country and people here who do not travel have no clue on how lucky we are.
    I will never go to China again.

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  5. On that note: Why are people in America still coughing up infection from their lungs and spitting it in the streets? I have forever wondered why they thought to get it out of their lungs and onto a surface, other people come in contact with is so cool. Brain up tough guys. You make me sick, literally.

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    • This article is how the virus starts, its a re-post from a right wing propaganda, the story is shit and the re-post is shit, soapy story for dumb people who cannot understand the facts. \

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    • Has anyone considered that the title while catchy with the current situation, is really an allegory to the dangers of socialism/communism?
      I understand there is discussion about the spread of a virus at the end, but I don’t think his assertions are unreasonable and I also recognize that they are his opinions.
      I’ll admit, I am partial to the author’s opinion about socialism/communism in the piece whether he has the experience or not in a foreign country. It’s not necessary for me to have experienced what a socialist or communist country is like to understand the dangers this type of governing presents. I read and I form my own educated opinions from historical facts. Being immersed in a culture is not necessary to make this judgement.
      As for this author being xenophobic, perhaps you should get to know this individual before you throw out words like that to describe someone who is basically a stranger to you. He wrote about his observations during his time in China and admitted his own fault of being a germaphobe. There is no degradation or hate of Chinese people or their culture in this message, there are honest observations of one person’s experience.

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      • I respectfully disagree that I need to know the author. My personal opinion is far stronger, but I kept my language calm and measured to show some sort of respect for his humanity. When xenophobia or racism is present, it’s important to challenge it. I wrote: “As for this article- whether the writer intended this or not- it’s dangerous logic and it’s xenophobic to its core.” There are things I may write or do without the intention of doing them and it’s my hope that people will call me to task in those times so I can do better when I know better.

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        • Responding to both of your responses – sorry didn’t mean to post twice.

          I think this entire discussion comes down to opinions and differing thoughts and interpretations, which we are all entitled as a result of our luck being born here in the States.

          I read this piece with the understanding that this is an opinion (generally what blogs are) — not a fact check, public health announcement or journalistic news. While I respect your experience and love of China, his was different and limited to his experience. I didn’t find him to be hateful nor do I believe that the “unintentional interpretations”
          of this blog will negatively affect the lives of Chinese people or bring violence to them. On the contrary, I would think the information shared could provide for greater compassion.

          I believe we have a differing understanding of xenophobia and now racism. I’m not finding the literary allusions you are perhaps referencing to xenophobia and racism since you did not actually explain this and I see no blatant example of either when I review the writing. Maybe you can point out your concerns so that I can better understand your view.

          The author of this blog does not represent either of these accusations in his writing from my humble interpretation, but maybe I’m just no good at reading through the lines and I too am xenophobic and racist.

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        • Wow. She HATES being called Cupcake but thinks it’s OK to call a decent, caring, intelligent person a xenophobe. Wow.

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          • I actually love cupcake, but I really prefer snowflake, communist, leftist, and libtard… particularly because I’m a Libertarian and a free market person. Did your mind just explode? See, I came on here to speak to xenophobic/racist undertones and a logical cluster and people are losing their ever-loving minds here. I never called the author a xenophobe or a racist. I challenged the language as being those things. Big difference. Granted, it’s nuanced and I am seeing how nuance is missed on such platforms. But my goodness people. Keeping up with this comment section has been a part-time job.

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            • Claiming it is all just “nuance” and you are just too smart for everyone else is a pathetic cop-out, Jen.

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  6. This article is how the virus starts, its a re-post from a right wing propaganda, the story is shit and the re-post is shit, soapy story for dumb people who cannot understand the facts. The society is only good as the least fortunate and the poorest of us is, same with health. If people do not have access to health care, we are all under danger of being sick.

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    • and millions of people in China do not have access to healthcare and millions of Chinese Muslims are in concnetration camps. so…….

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  7. What a terrible article.

    A government should not only answer to its people, but look out for them, that includes providing all of its citizens with basic healthcare. That does not mean the healthcare itself should be a government provided service, they only have to make sure it is available and adheres to their standards. The system the Swiss and the Dutch use, while certainly not perfect, seems to do a good job of balancing a market system with universal care.

    And with that I’m going to forget I ever read this.

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    • @tbeernow – I”m glad you FEEL that government should do this. I hope you live in a place that is constituted on those grounds. America was not. We were formed with a vision of freedom and liberty that is inconsistent with your beliefs, and many of us hope to keep it that way.

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      • Providing healthcare to all your citizens in no way limits your freedom or liberty. It is not like you have less healthcare providers to choose from, that is not government regulated. It only sets the bar on the provided services, just like the FDA does with food.

        And about that the government looking out for its citizens… What do you think the job of the army is? Or is it everyone for himself, if Russia comes knocking? Healthcare only isn’t about things that go boom, but it’s still protecting and caring for your people.

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        • Creating a single payer is one step closer to genocide. Its how people tyrannical government get started. Then, they control the means of production. Then, the people are disarmed.

          The idea of receiving healthcare from a doctor whose motivation is displaced by a value judgment from Central Planning in insanity worse than a vote for any Democrat.

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          • “Genocide” ?? WTF, you people are batshit crazy and don’t even know what you are talking about.

            Single Payer refers only to insurance/payments, nothing more related to treatment!!

            There is absolutely nothing about “means of production” in healthcare that is controlled in Canada or western Europe. They all buy their devices & drugs from the same companies as in America… And all of those countries have healthier populations with longer lifespans (sometimes by 3 years) than in USA!

            Could you explain to me about the “value judgment from Central Planning” that occurs in the Netherlands, UK, France, Australia, Taiwan, Canada, or any of countless other nations with sane healthcare?

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          • It is amazing how many assumptions there are in that reply. Why would there need to be a single payer? We don’t have a single payer. We have a market situation between several insurers, independent of the caregivers, so costs are minimized. Or a central planning? Why?

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  8. We do NOT have a free market healthcare system in teh US. Not by a LONG SHOT.

    I want shoes, noodles, a hair cut I can go anywhere and get anything, and I know the price. BEFORE I buy.

    Healthcare? I have a list of where I can go. I know my copay. I know lab A sends me a copay bill different from lab B. I know my local pharmacy wants $4 for my meds when another takes my full $15 copay.

    But I DO NOT have free choice and I have NO CLUE what anything costs. And I’m not spending MY MONEY – and the drs, labs, hospitals, drug companies KNOW THIS and take advantage of it.

    And we have PUBLIC SCHOOLS – everyone can go for free. Yet we also have PRIVATE SCHOOLS for those that choose to pay themselves.

    Why would ‘one payer’ gov’t healthcare have to be any different?

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  9. I need to take issue with this article. First, the writer states that China is “the last purely communist country on earth”. Not true. China is not purely communist. China engages in what is referred to as “Red Capitalism”. Second, the writer assumes all of China is backward when it comes to sanitary health habits. Not true as well. True, I only visited Beijing, however, not once did I observe what the writer seems to think is the norm. I visited Beijing during the time of the H1N1 virus. When we got off the airplane in Beijing, we were monitored for fever before being allowed in the country. Interesting to note that while the present virus started in China, the H1N1 (Swine flu) started in the United States and by the time it was over, it was estimated that upwards of a half million people had died worldwide. In my opinion, the writer is engaging in xenophobic behavior.

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  10. People should be careful what they wish for. They will find the Democrats socialized medicine much worse than what we have now. The present America system has produced many medical innovations thanks to competition. With government controlling everything, there will be little incentive to improve.

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  11. I lived and taught in China in 2007, and I saw identical unsanitary habits to those described by the author. The water that came out of the faucet / washing machine in my apartment turned my white clothes a hideous shade of brown. I dared not drink the water. Yet, in 2014, China put out a press release claiming the drinking water there was ‘one of the best’ in China.’ The Minjiang (Min) River, the Baima River, streams, lakes, and the Fuqing Bay were treated like toilets by the residents and most reflected a toxic shade of green. We watched as people of all ages tossed bottles, food, cans, plastic and diapers filled with human waste overboard into the water as our group took a ferry to a nearby island. That same 2014 article stated, “the fine water quality can be attributed to Fuzhou’s clean rivers, as well as local authorities’ efforts in the preservation of its water resources, said the assessment.” Could they have dramatically cleaned what was toxic in seven years? Perhaps, but it seems doubtful to me considering the magnitude of pollution. Toilets on the island we visited consisted of outdoor troughs for men and women (zero privacy) that were high atop a hillside and angled to run into… you guessed it – a nearby waterway. Children were walked into the water at the beach with no bottoms at all so that they could relieve themselves at will. Our group also walked through God knows what on our way to teach every day. The sewer system backed up constantly. Dentists operated on patients in filthy spaces with the door open to the street. Children with split pants sat in high chairs in restaurants, urinating and defecating at the table next to ours while our food was brought to us. Duck, chicken, “meat sticks,” and produce were left in the open air (I was there from late May to late August). I lost 20 pounds while I was there. The author does not address the air pollution, but I can attest to not being able to take a deep breath while visiting historic landmarks by foot in Beijing. Our group never seeing blue sky until after a Monsoon swept through the city. When I saw the electronic board in Tienanmen Square that was counting the days until the Olympics, I wondered – how on earth will the athletes be able to compete with this air quality? Returning to Newark airport (yes, Newark, NJ), the city looked so clean, I wanted to kiss the ground when I got off the plane. Some posts deny what the author and I experienced and cry “racist!” My account of my time there in 2007 is truthful, and I cared deeply for my students and their families. Shouldn’t the concern be for the people in China who are living in filth and have not been taught about how to best care for the earth and its wondrous waterways? Shouldn’t this be on the radar of the global warming enthusiasts? Or would you rather put your head in the sand (not on China’s beaches, of course)? Telling the truth about the filth we witnessed and the lack of knowledge or concern related to sanitation and care of the earth should raise alarm bells for environmentalists who claim to be concerned about global warming and the outbreak of China’s latest pandemic.

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  12. The article, was written by someone who had an experience in China and maybe this was not anyone else’s experience, he has opinions and views and is telling them here.
    America has the best health care in the world!!! People who have money come to the US for major operations, people claim we don’t have nationalized health care but that is a lie. If you ever had a life threatening situation, you were not going to be denied medical attention. In a Country where there is no benefit to succeed or do better then why try? Our capitalistic systems rewards Doctors, Businessmen, Entrepreneurs etc… with more customers, more money, more business. People abuse the system, if you give them something for free(its not) then they abuse it. For example if you have to pay a copay your less likely to go to the Dr. for a cold or a scrape. But the idea of things like free health care is far from it, nothing is given to someone else that isn’t paid for or given by someone else. Our Government is almost $23.5 Trillion in debt, almost $4,000 per legal citizen, Illegals can’t be tracked nor put into this equation but there is over 14 Million estimated non tax paying people getting benefits. Our Country does more for the world than any other, our safety sometimes that borders in the insane , still is the best in the world. Name one other country that has the American dream?

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  13. Do any of us know how much Health Insurance costs? What’s a blood test cost? How about a chest x-ray, MRI, or a knee replacement? I know what a gallon of milk costs or a set of new tires for my car or a new 50″ TV. Why don’t we know the cost of by-pass surgery or what it costs to have a mole removed? Could this be part of the problem? Just asking …

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  14. Nobody in government is looking at enough alternative solutions.
    I started a small business essay in 1976 and never had more than 12 employees. Started out giving each employee and their family free healthcare. (Nothing is truly free so if we hadn’t furnished healthcare we could have put that money in their paychecks.)
    We had good health insurance through Prudential insurance. I was working a job at Warner Robbins,GA and came down with kidney stones and spent a week in the hospital and when I was dis charged I didn’t have to pay a dime out of my pocket. A month or so after discharge I received a small bill for what the insurance didn’t pay the doctor and that was my only out of pocket expense. By 1990 we had to drop family coverage because the cost had gotten more than our small company could pay and by 1995 we had to start making the employee pay part of their cost. I would think it would be good to go back in time and study why the cost escalated so rapidly in 14 & 19 years. There is another plan than is working for some people in the US that I haven’t heard suggested on a national level and that is cost sharing and negotiating with doctors, hospitals & drug companies to lower cost. In cost sharing plans there is a minimum Capitol reserve and when the reserve goes below the minimum the members are assessed more each month until the reserve reaches the maximum reserve amount. In these systems there are no preexisting conditions and a minimual time period after becoming a member that you become fully vested in the plan and can start using it. I also think medical savings plans should be available to every citizen of the United States of America.
    People put your heads together and come up with a plan where the suppliers of medical services, drugs & equipment have to answer to you the customer, not you answering to them.
    We need to make our elected government officials and the bureaucrats answer to the people in the way our founding fathers intended it to be. Our president, congressmen & senators were to be servants of the people for a short time and go back home to their farms, businesses or jobs as the case may be and not make it a life time job.

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    • If you want to do the research, states love to impose coverage mandates. It makes the legislators look magnanimous and they slink away to their burrows when people wonder why the cost of insurance just went up again. The times you are talking about were probably when mandates were really getting rolling, with the states seeing a way to be oh-so-generous with other people’s money. But every time the state mandates a new coverage, the price of insurance will rise to cover the cost of that procedure. You cannot avoid costs.

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  15. Food for thought. Read the comments too.
    I just paid 12.00$ for a dental cleaning. And three weeks ago I paid $300 for a new crown that required a root filling too.
    Pros and cons. I like the system here. (Scotland) NHS, but if you want more attention, you can buy insurance that gets you into specialists in three days, and your hospital and test paid. My neck surgery I had in 2010 cost me about £100 total. That included three days in intensive, and 6 weeks of physio. All on private insurance. The insurance cost about £45 a month at the time.
    Brilliant!

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  16. Communism- where everyone is equal- just some are more equal than others.

    This BLOG is not xenophobic. It speaks to the evil nature of a centralized socialist government in control of everything including healthcare. The individual is sacrosanct in any system founded on the Magna Carte. Free Markets deliver choice and value.

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    • How is our healthcare system “free market”? It’s a giant price fixing scheme between large hospital/doctor networks and insurance companies. For in-network care, they fix the price for a given service at an high number that’s detached from the reality of what it costs to provide the service, and pocket the profit. For out-of-network care, the provider can charge whatever they want, and so they do. Usually about double what they charge for in-network. The provider bills the consumer for the co-pays and deductible, and bills the insurance company for the balance, if the deductible is met. And the insurance company pays the provider what they are owe, and then next year they raise the premium to maintain their profit margin. And then the healthcare providers ratchet up their fee schedule, and then the insurance companies raise premiums; repeat ad infinitum.

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  17. […] So what if you don’t like the conditions in the hospital? Where else are you going to go? This hospital is the last (and only) stop. You can’t opt for another place and then just pay out of your own pocket. The government has capped financial upward mobility. There is now “income equality.” And that means nobody has the means to buy their way into a different (or better) situation. And even if you could, one doesn’t exist. The state provides it all. You’re stuck. __ Birth of a Virus […]

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  18. Growing up, we never heard of healthcare. No one I knew even went to doctors. There was Not a constant talk about diseases. Healthcare was a perk for a company to entice someone to come work for them. About 15 years ago, I heard an interview with a man who had been a hospital administrator before & after the government got involved in healthcare. From the 50s to the 70s Before the gov’t got involved, prices were about the same, VERY affordable. Poor seniors for instance, were charged $1.00 for a doctor visit. The cost of childbirth was affordable (sorry, can’t remember the exact figure). Then the government got involved & prices went continually higher until you could Not afford to not have healthcare. I would occasionally run across a dentist who would give a discount if you paid cash. Free markets are the only way to go. Since healthcare is the first plank of communism, our country should NOT have the government involved.

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  19. NO one has even touched on the fact that not only was ObamaCare UN-Constitutional, it had little to do with health and more to do with controlling our daily lives completely and included total disarmament if you wanted heath care at all ! It was also forced vaccinations REQUIRED. Everything in it was blackmail and force and threats ! IT totally destroyed the US Constitution. ANY Government health care is UN-Constitutional ! WE keep getting farther and farther away from our OWN AMERICAN LAW and more into Communism with every new idea how govt can control our health and lives !

    I read that whole ObamaCare thing – 4,000 pages of it ! Took me a whole week ! YOu have no idea What it really is if you did not read it !! The Muslims (which did not have to pay for it like non-Muslims do) is called Dhimmitude by the Muslims. It’s Islamic law throughout it !

    ObamaCare IS DHIMMITUDE. It also includes the non-Muslim tax [Jizyah] forced on all non-Muslims [Only NON-Muslims are forced to have ObamaCare and pay for it – Muslims automatically get it all free without paying a dime !]

    The Govt is NOT to be our doctor !
    The Founders forbade govt from touching anything of a personal nature.
    When you have govt controlling things you have Communism ! Period !
    Big Pharma is a money making business that made itself the backbone of the One World Govt ! They do not care about your health – they want to control YOU by controlling your health !
    Whoever controls your health CONTROLS YOU !

    Hitler made this point as well.
    Let it be noted that Adolph Hitler also used food as weapon, stating that – “food is a beautiful instrument for maneuvering and disciplining the masses.”

    “When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,”” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already…. What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this ‘new community’.” – Adolf Hitler

    Recognize our position yet ?

    “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as government is PERCEIVED as working for the “benefit of children”, the people happily will endure almost any curtailment of liberty.” – Adolph Hitler

    From Founders Law =

    “If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny” — Thomas Jefferson

    “Whensoever the General Government assumes UNdelegated powers, its acts are UNauthoritative, Void, and of No Force.” ~~~ Thomas Jefferson

    IF it’s not written in the Constitution to do, then Gov’t CANNOT DO IT !

    “Were we directed from The District [DC] when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.” – Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

    “If a people does not put Freedom First above ALL else, only shackles will follow.” (Thomas Jefferson)

    “Oppose with manly firmness any invasions on the Rights of the People.” — Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers, 1:338

    “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    • THANK YOU! I didn’t have much time yesterday, but you said a Lot of what I wanted to. The government absolutely should NOT be involved in health care…NEVER! Remember, they had to pass Obamacare so they could read it?!! Just pass it not knowing what was in it? That alone should’ve awakened Everyone that something was horribly wrong!

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  20. I know if you are a citizen – Medicaid is not good to you unless you are rich !
    Medicaid is free for illegals, but for citizens they have a $4,000 deductible before it will kick in. Don’t know who has that kind of cash laying around.
    And Medicare that we also pay for out of our Social Security, does not cover much of anything ! You still have to pay cash for a first doctor’s visit !

    SO MUCH FOR GOVT HEALTH CARE !

    That has been my experience with Govt health care !
    Good thing I’m a bio-Chemic Nutritionist and can be my own doctor.
    I’m 75 and doing okay so Natural medicine is the real answer !

    Big Pharma and their doctors just make you sicker as they pile on their deadly money-making drugs and killer vaccines. !
    I’m on NO drugs or meds and I never get any kind of vaccine ! And I
    won’t !! I live alone and do all my own farm ranch work.

    Remember who is The Great Physician ! God !

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  21. I have MS. I have many friends in Canada who have MS. When my friends in Canada are told that the disease has progressed, they are then told that nothing more can be done and they are no longer allowed to take Disease Modifying Therapies, regardless of the data that is available showing that the DMT’s slow the progression for various stages of the disease.
    That’s just my personal experience in dealing with a disease and speaking with others that deal with the same disease in another country. As a person who is a healthy weight, does not smoke, drink, or do things to my body that the medical profession would consider ‘bad,’ but I happen to be blessed with a genetic autoimmune disease, I am of the opinion that a ‘one size fits all’ health care system does not work. Why are people not incentivized to make better lifestyle choices? I do not feel that a few privileged politicians sitting in DC should be making the decisions for 350 million Americans. I get that the existing 2 party system worked back when it was founded and there were approximately 3 million people, but the same number of representatives now representing 350 million does not work. I feel safe in saying that there is not equal representation.

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    • Have you checked out The Wahls Protocol Book? Dr. Terri Wahls reversed her MS through natural means and methods. Not saying it would be exactly the same for you but it’s worth checking out. SO MUCH new info coming out about autoimmunity and reversal. Best of luck, long may you run.

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      • Oh yes! I have modified my diet and lifestyle completely. I do what I can naturally, but I also use a disease modifying therapy. I figure that I need to hit this disease with everything available to me! LOL! It’s been 13 years but I think that I learn something new every day. The Wahl’s Protocol was one of the first books that I read.

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        • A friend had stem-cell therapy & the pain from MS left & never came back. It is adult stem cells that are the big help for certain conditions.

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  22. Robust debate about the state of health care and its costs are always welcome in the public forum.
    It’s crucial, though, that we adhere to facts, not beliefs, assumptions, or propaganda to buttress our contentions.
    For example, there’s this passage:

    I am not a registered Democrat or Republican. But if you don’t like the state of healthcare in this country, just remember that not ONE Republican has their fingerprints on it. NOT. ONE. Your current state of healthcare was voted on unanimously and signed into law by DEMOCRATS only.

    This assertion is 100% untrue. The Dems BENT OVER BACKWARDS to include their GOP colleagues in formulating the ACA. They wanted this to be a truly bi-partisan effort. In fact, the individual mandate was borrowed directly from the Heritage Foundation—a Republican institution.

    No GOP Congress member voted for the ACA. This is a fact. But their ideas and proposals were a huge part of the finished act.

    Had the Dems realized that they would have no GOP buy-in, the ACA might have become a single-payer system.

    You are welcome to research my contentions throughout valid, non-biased sources. Thanks,

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  23. Well Regie … you did a great job stiring up shit with this blog. Well done sir!!

    BTW … I hope you and your family are safe. Terrible news about the tornados in your area. I grew up in North Central Texas (we affectionately call it Tornado Alley) so I know the devastation you and your family and friends must be going through right now so my prayers are with you bud.

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  24. Many things I want to say about the points in this article but I am going to come at it from a different angle. 1. “Single payer” is a very apt description because it is NOT health care, it is a method of PAYING for healthcare. There are currently no explicit mandates on the table regarding actual care provided, it is simply a method of paying for services with our tax dollars. A matter of public funds vs private insurance. There will be many mandates if something like this does become the law of the land and if you aren’t scared, you should be. What will the financial impact be to our economy if insurance companies are eliminated? Will the government step in and reduce the cost of going to medical school because there will be no way doctors will be able to make enough money to pay back student loans? What impact will that have on the institutions who educate doctors? What about malpractice insurance? You can’t sue the government without their permission, or so they say. How much will “single payer” cost everyone and will some people be exempt from paying anything ever because they have no money? 2. What will happen to your freedom of medical choice? (note: Medicare is already halfway to socialized medicine ~ if you are over 65 and don’t have group employer provided insurance you “have” to use Medicare for a Medicare covered procedure but you can pay privately only if the procedure isn’t covered.) There are many alternative practitioners in this country who provide services that are covered by insurance. Many of them focus on prevention and cost much less than conventional services. What are the chances that “single payer” is going to cover these services for people or if not covered, will citizens be able to access them and pay privately? The last thing I want is some bureaucrat telling me what kind of health care I can access, thank you very much.
    This issue is not as simple as “let’s have socialized medicine so everyone can have healthcare.”
    People want a simple, feel good answer so they don’t have to think, but there isn’t one. There is so much more to it and not enough people are thinking critically, using deductive reasoning and analyzing what this proposal really means.

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  25. At least 2 comments have referred to this article as “xenophobic.” This is one dictionary definition but not truly accurate, as anything with “phobia” attached means it is an irrational fear. I seriously doubt that Regie Hamm would have gone to China to adopt a baby girl if he was prejudiced against, had a dislike of or an irrational fear of China and Chinese people. Quit with the knee jerk, button pushing buzzwords already.

    xen·o·pho·bi·a
    /ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/

    noun: xenophobia

    dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

    pho·bi·a
    /ˈfōbēə/
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    noun
    noun: phobia; plural noun: phobias

    an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

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  26. Damn, that’s one hell of a fire storm you started there.

    Adopted Dad here, appreciate your viewpoint, as well as the others. In China I saw staggering filth and poverty as well as some beautifully cultivated areas. I guess it depends on where you are/were.

    Five years ago this month we brought home our little girl. We stayed at the China Marriott in Guangzhou; we were strongly advised not only to not drink the water from the tap but also not open our mouths in the shower and only use bottled water to brush our teeth. A block from the hotel we wandered down a side street and saw people in such deplorable and diseased conditions it brought tears to my eyes. We were there 10 days and I didn’t see the sun at any time while there. Despite all our precautions my wife still got immensely sick and it took better than a month for her to feel herself again. Our daughter, like many adoptee’s, came home with a horrible cough that took over a year to fully clear up.

    China is an amazing culture and country but there is some truth to what you say.

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  27. It’s probably a good idea to do a little research on your topic before you make claims on your blog which has gone viral, spreading misinformation. The Chinese spitting on the floor issue has been around much longer than Communist China. If you do a little research you can see this is often discussed in popular media. Easy and quick reference for you watch or find the clip from the movie “Chinatown”, made in 1974 but written well before then and set in 1930’s Los Angeles. Jack Nicholson’s character makes a comment to the Lt. to the effect of “Is he still arresting Chinese people for spitting on the laundromat floor in Chinatown.”. Further, ask anyone who has lived in a Chinatown. It is common to see males hock loogies all of the time. Commusnism is bad, but spitting and pissing in the streets isn’t because of communism. They didn’t do it in the USSR.

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  28. First, single payer is a reprehensible system. You only have to look at Cuba and Venezuela to see the end of that game. And the UK and Canada both ration care like mad. One way they do it is by wait times. And now Britain is going to experiment with some rationing based on political and social opinions: you can fully expect that to spread. Health care is way, way too important to trust it to a bunch of damned bureaucrats.

    Buying insurance across state lines is not the panacea everyone thinks it is. Rates in each state are based on the cost of care plus expenses plus profit. Cost of care, i.e., claims, is the biggest driver of rages. In my part of the insurance world, the ratio is 65% for claims, 30% for expenses, and 5% for profit, so you get the idea. Now, if you live in California and want to buy coverage in Idaho, do you honestly think you can get coverage for California expenses at Idaho rates? It doesn’t work. Idaho will soon develop rates for people who live in California and good-bye cost advantage.

    BUT one obnoxious thing all states do is impose coverage mandates on their insurers so, for example, all insurers, probably in all 50 states are required to cover abortions and contraception. If a state wanted its insurers to write business like crazy, it could eliminate that mandate and watch Catholics and others flock to that state. So states could compete in the kinds of mandates they impose. Live in California, want coverage for abortion, then buy coverage from a state where it’s covered, but you will still end up paying rates commensurate with the costs of medical care in California.

    The only truly logical system I can come up with is for everyone to buy catastrophic care with a deductible of $10,000 or more. Every single out-of-pocket medical expense with a few exceptions like over-the-counter stuff, is a deduction from one’s income when calculating one’s income tax. And the cost of that major medical policy is also deducted from income. There. Problem is as solved as it’s going to be unless you are – I’m sorry – stupid and witless enough to think the government will give you something for free.

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  29. […] I was witnessing the kind of maximum, almost brutal efficiency a society must develop when the state is the master and the individual is merely a subject. Why would a Communist country not have an effective FDA? Because who are you going to complain to if you get tainted food? The government? They don’t answer to you. The press? They are owned by the government. And again, they don’t answer to you. […]

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  30. well he started out fair but to say that China capped upward mobility is a crock of crap. China is also loaded with billionaires. the real problem is they don’t even make a pass at equality. This country was best when taxes helped cap upward mobility and insure a strong middle class that grew with the market. The concept of equality is what is missing from China and what has contributed to the ling slide downward here as We Americans are pumping 7 billion gallons of raw untreated fracking waste into our Oceans off of California and our other areas. That is just the tip of the iceburg because we also pump 280 BILLION gallons of the same stuff under our own country EACH year! We will end up like the filth described in this post that was shared onto my page if we don’t get a handle on our reckless Oil and Chemical Billionaires who have changed the EPA into a rubber stamper for pollution! As our middle class is slowly undermined into second rate citizens who combined still loose to individual Billionaires buyouts of our top offices in the governments with budgets like Charles Koch who spends Billions to get a free pass to override the public will. He even admits it is not a fair democracy as he continues to take over the Republican party and the White House. Keystone Excell – Passed (Koch refines tarsands) Dakota access – Passed (again Koch refines tarsands) but the public will is around 80% against both. So Upward mobility needs a Cap!!! Or Democracy, Ethics and Christian values (the real ones, not molesting priests and ministers from any church) all vanish with the middle class.
    –Notice how this guy uses the tragic events to push his views. I though this was going to be a post about the Corona virus.

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